#1
Okay, so I kinda know what a preamp does, but not really
I have a peavey Valveking, and need more gain/better quality. Someone told me I can hook up a preamp to my valking, and use amp models, effects, etc? If so, how does this work? I heard the Axe Fx, and it sounds amazing, but can it be used in a live situation??
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#2
Yes, you can bypass your amp's preamp section completely ONLY if your amp has an effects loop (which the valveking does have). You do this by plugging the output of your preamp you want to use into the effects return jack on your amp.

The AxeFx is the best amp modeler/effects unit on the market right now. The only problem is that it is also one of the more expensive ones as well. And yes, it can be used live quite easily by using a foot controller to switch presets and utilize wahs/volumes/effect parameters.
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#3
Yeah, with the AxeFx with a foot controller, you're looking at something in the neighborhood of $2800-3000. Not cheap stuff. Based on your guitars and user title, I'm going to say an Engl E530, Marshall JMP-1, or Rocktron Pirhana is your best bet. I'm pretty sure you can use midi footcontrollers with all of those.

Also, most floor multifx units work as preamps too- Line 6 POD, Vox Tonelab, Digitech RP, and they are cheaper.
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Yes, you can bypass your amp's preamp section completely ONLY if your amp has an effects loop (which the valveking does have). You do this by plugging the output of your preamp you want to use into the effects return jack on your amp.

The AxeFx is the best amp modeler/effects unit on the market right now. The only problem is that it is also one of the more expensive ones as well. And yes, it can be used live quite easily by using a foot controller to switch presets and utilize wahs/volumes/effect parameters.


+1

this is true, but also don't be afraid of other units if cost is an issue

the standard axe fx cost about 1500 USD, and the ultra is like 2100 USD now, but from what i've heard it's amazing, i'd even go as far to say as perfect, but i think that one more generation of modelers (of this quality, so exclude the lower end line 6 stuff) and it really will be perfect, it's just a time thing, like normal computers

20 years ago, it to a computer the size of a building to just do some fairly complex math, now they can be 100 times as powerful, and be the size of a notepad (EX: iPhone, small Laptops/netbooks)

as far as cheaper preamps

check some of the line 6 pod series, the higher end stuff is definitely useable, and also maybe some stuff like the Digitech RP series, like the RP1000, or maybe the vox tonelab

hope that helps
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+1

this is true, but also don't be afraid of other units if cost is an issue

the standard axe fx cost about 1500 USD, and the ultra is like 2100 USD now, but from what i've heard it's amazing, i'd even go as far to say as perfect, but i think that one more generation of modelers (of this quality, so exclude the lower end line 6 stuff) and it really will be perfect, it's just a time thing, like normal computers

20 years ago, it to a computer the size of a building to just do some fairly complex math, now they can be 100 times as powerful, and be the size of a notepad (EX: iPhone, small Laptops/netbooks)

as far as cheaper preamps

check some of the line 6 pod series, the higher end stuff is definitely useable, and also maybe some stuff like the Digitech RP series, like the RP1000, or maybe the vox tonelab

hope that helps



Sweet thanks! I already have an RP500, so i can use this as a preamp by plugging my guitar into the rp500, then rp500 into my effects loop return?
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Quote by TheFireWithinPA
Sweet thanks! I already have an RP500, so i can use this as a preamp by plugging my guitar into the rp500, then rp500 into my effects loop return?


Bingo! hope it sounds nice.
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Bingo! hope it sounds nice.


I did it and WOW!!!! So amazing! Never thought a 200 dollar pedal would sound better than my VK!!! I'm in love, thank you all so much!!
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#8
I remember having the same exact revelation when I did that, haha it's great huh?
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I remember having the same exact revelation when I did that, haha it's great huh?

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#10
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Yeah, with the AxeFx with a foot controller, you're looking at something in the neighborhood of $2800-3000.

What controller are you looking at?!? $800-1000 for a MIDI footswitch?


I see you've already figured out that your RP500 is a preamp, but going off your initial question. The Axe is an awesome unit, very powerful and sounds very realistic, but plugging a $2000 unit into a $400 amp is not something I'd recommend. If you need more gain, I would suggest running an Overdrive pedal in front of your amp's gain channel. This will tighten up the amp and add some saturation, while not coloring the amp's sound so much that it sounds like a totally different amp (unless that's what you want ).
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#11
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What controller are you looking at?!? $800-1000 for a MIDI footswitch?


I see you've already figured out that your RP500 is a preamp, but going off your initial question. The Axe is an awesome unit, very powerful and sounds very realistic, but plugging a $2000 unit into a $400 amp is not something I'd recommend. If you need more gain, I would suggest running an Overdrive pedal in front of your amp's gain channel. This will tighten up the amp and add some saturation, while not coloring the amp's sound so much that it sounds like a totally different amp (unless that's what you want ).


I second this. The axe FX in your case would be a waste of money. You would be much better off selling your current amp and buying a new one.
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#12
Quote by MatrixClaw
What controller are you looking at?!? $800-1000 for a MIDI footswitch?


I see you've already figured out that your RP500 is a preamp, but going off your initial question. The Axe is an awesome unit, very powerful and sounds very realistic, but plugging a $2000 unit into a $400 amp is not something I'd recommend. If you need more gain, I would suggest running an Overdrive pedal in front of your amp's gain channel. This will tighten up the amp and add some saturation, while not coloring the amp's sound so much that it sounds like a totally different amp (unless that's what you want ).



Thanks, and no, I'm not buying the AxeFx, lol. I seen on youtube and didnt realize how much it costed But I am going to get the Engl E530 because it sounds amazing. Ill run the power amp of my vk and use the E530. Eventually, I'll get a good power amp, but for now, it'll do
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#13
Quote by Talentless
I second this. The axe FX in your case would be a waste of money. You would be much better off selling your current amp and buying a new one.


im not selling it, im getting the Engl E530 as my preamp
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Quote by TheFireWithinPA
im not selling it, im getting the Engl E530 as my preamp


That should of course change the voicing enough for the time being to suit your needs. In the future a good rack mounted effects processor and a good rack mounted power amp will really make your rig amazing!

Good luck with it all!
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#15
Quote by Talentless
That should of course change the voicing enough for the time being to suit your needs. In the future a good rack mounted effects processor and a good rack mounted power amp will really make your rig amazing!

Good luck with it all!


Thanks for the advice and help! Hopefully by next year my rig will be pro
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#16
E530 is a great choice, I had one till about a year ago and it really hit the spot, nice cleans if a bit brittle, although cranking the clean gain and backin off the vol on the guitar gave much warmer tones in my case, along with crushing gain and a brilliant 4 band EQ on channel 2(Hal loves the low mid pot) had it running through the power section of my old DSL100 so I imagine you will get similarly great results using the VK power section.
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