#1
OK, so i am primarily a guitar player, but i know the basics of how to play a bass, and i have to admit i am pretty decent at it. I have been wondering recently about how hard it would be to learn violin/fiddle. From what i can tell, the note structure of both is set up basically the same, am i correct? i don't know how to read traditional sheet music, so would that be a problem with the violin/fiddle. I just want to know if trying to learn violin would be easier for me since i know how to play bass.
#2
It wouldn't really make a difference whether you knew bass or not. Bass is tuned in fourths, violin in 5ths. Being able to read music is essential if you would be wanting to learn western/classical music, as most music for violin is written in standard notation. Apart from all that there's the bowing technique, and a completely different mind set would be needed. There's also the issue of intonation.
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It would only be easier in the sense that you somewhat understand music. None of the technique is the same. From a technical aspect, learning to play violin is hard. It's an unnatural hand position and motion with the bow. You would have a headstart on someone who knew nothing but not much,
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It wouldn't really make a difference whether you knew bass or not. Bass is tuned in fourths, violin in 5ths. Being able to read music is essential if you would be wanting to learn western/classical music, as most music for violin is written in standard notation. Apart from all that there's the bowing technique, and a completely different mind set would be needed. There's also the issue of intonation.



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You would have an advantage in the sense that you're experienced in learning an instrument, so you know the right approach to take to better yourself. Some of your musical knowledge would also translate over and help you out (although they're so far apart you'd have to be careful not to be influenced too much by your guitar/bass playing as I expect it could have a negative impact).

Hand strength and a familiarity with pushing down strings (I want to say fretting but violins don't have frets) will also help you to pick up a violin technique.

However all that aside, you'll probably find that your guitar knowledge translates a lot less smoothly to violin than it did to bass. I wouldn't expect it to be an easy transition by any means.
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It wouldn't really make a difference whether you knew bass or not. Bass is tuned in fourths, violin in 5ths. Being able to read music is essential if you would be wanting to learn western/classical music, as most music for violin is written in standard notation. Apart from all that there's the bowing technique, and a completely different mind set would be needed. There's also the issue of intonation.

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Having a good ear is important to play violin since it has no frets and no inlays. If you have a good ear already, you will have a head start but I guess the technical aspect will such a big hurdle, that it won't make that much a difference.
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Bass tuned in fifths. Highest string is the first string


Er, no it isn't.

It's tuned in fourths.
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#10
Think of it this way, the biggest thing bass guitar and violin have in common is the number of strings.

And learn to read music, you'll need it for violin, and its just a good skill to have, even if you just stick with guitar/bass.
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They're tuned differently, played differently, and have different roles.
You have just about as much knowledge as with a guitar.

So I would say no, knowing bass doesn't give you some secret knowledge for playing violin compared to guitar. If anything, I think guitar would give you more knowledge because both guitar and violin are lead treble instruments (if you did bass and cello, perhaps there would be something more innate due to both being lower instruments (or say, bass and double bass)).
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Ha, I play bass and went over to double bass and still, theres only so much you can cross over.

Two instruments, two different playing styles.
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I play bass and violin, and let me tell you; TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

The only similarities are that they both have 4 strings (and thats only with a 4 string bass) and the strings are tuned E A D G. Even with that tuning, on violin, E string is highest string, opposite on bass.

I learnt the violin before coming to bass, and it helped a lot imho. There are so many attributes you can bring from transitioning from violin to bass .. but the other way around .. Idk about that.

Switching from bass to violin, I would say huuuuuuuuuuge difficulties. First, how you hold the violin, between chin and shoulder bit, weight, finger spacing, bowing position and technique etc. etc. the list goes on. I could go on forever.

But I would say, the biggest difficulty in learning violin is where to put fingers. Once you master that, everything seems that much easier. There are no frets, and the slightest difference in postition - literally millimetres - can make the note flat, sharp, natural etc. Then you go on to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th positions.

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Er, no it isn't.

It's tuned in fourths.


It's a joke, the intervals if you figure them from the top string down are 5ths. One of those funny music theory things.

D -> G = 4th
G -> D = 5th
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It's a joke, the intervals if you figure them from the top string down are 5ths. One of those funny music theory things.

D -> G = 4th
G -> D = 5th


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I use to play viola before I started playing guitar or bass and the only thing you can really use is the theory. Maybe if you played unlined fretless bass you would have some advantage but the bowing is a whole different story.
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Haha not even a joke.
On a bass the G is the first string. Therefore you start there and move to the second string which is D. G -> D = 5th
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You tune up from the lowest string. Hence why the violin is considered as tuned in fifths, bass is tuned in fourths, and guitar is fourths with a 3rd in there.
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#19
So, if you were not to use the bow and hold it just like guitar or bass, could you play it in the same way, as far as where the notes are located and such?
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So, if you were not to use the bow and hold it just like guitar or bass, could you play it in the same way, as far as where the notes are located and such?


Theoretically you can but in practice it would be counter productive to say the least.
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