#1
i'm looking at replacing my current Laptop (2.0GHz dual core processor, 2GB 800MHz RAM) for a much better desktop PC. Money is an issue and my budget is anything upto £500. i'm looking to get just the tower as i already have a decent monitor i wish to use.

i will be using it for Music production (obviously), editing, Gaming, the usual everyday stuff like music, films, etc

i already have an external, 1TB Harddrive so space isn't an issue, and i alread have a copy of Windows 7.

i've looked at getting this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VIBOX-A36-PHENOM-945-GAMING-PC-1GB-4350-GRAPHICS-/220601748939?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs

if someone could make some suggestions or maybe even suggest one to get that would be really great .

Edit: P.S. For anyone about to recommend a Mac please keep in mind the £500 budget, and i'm not that keen on Macs anyway (for now).
Last edited by Afroboy267 at Aug 29, 2010,
#2
I would recommend buying the parts you want separately and just building your own computer. You should be able to do okay with your budget.
#3
Quote by gquady09
I would recommend buying the parts you want separately and just building your own computer. You should be able to do okay with your budget.

i'm not so sure about that. i don't have the knowledge or the patience to put one together and i;d rather pay that bit extra to have one ready built. i'm not particularly into the whole computer building thing unfortunatly :/.

Good suggestion though. Whats your opinion on that one?
#4
I'm gonna suggest 2 things here really quick:

1. Either build a PC for gaming or build a PC for recording, not both. Both recording & gaming require powerhouse PCs but they need to be differently designed. Gaming requires a cool PC which leads to fans which leads to lots of noise which if you're trying to record something, doesn't sound so pretty.

2. If you're doing Gaming, don't get a fanless video card like the one listed in that auction. Back in the day, I thought it was cool to go fanless. When gaming, video cards get really fast and most if not all fanless video cards can't handle it very well. It got to the point where it was impossible to be in my room for more than 5 minutes with my PC running.

Just a few thoughts.
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#5
That computer looks like it's more than enough to handle what you need it too, not a bad price either, with a 1GB graphics card, lucky bastard. I have a HP with the AMD quad core, 8 GB of DDR3 Ram, 1 TB hard drive, and the shitty integrated graphics, cost me $1400 in all with the monitor, software and other shit you need.
#6
Two things here:

1. It used to be true that you could build a better machine for less money by getting the parts and cobbling something together yourself. I used to do it. Not anymore. Our latest "family" PC desktop was an off-the-shelf model from Costco that there is no way I could build for even close to what I paid for it.

2. While it used to be true that you needed a powerhouse system to do audio recording, not anymore. Yesterday's powerhouse is today's doorstop. We did our album on a computer that you could barely even give away by today's standards - each song upwards to 36 tracks of 24-bit audio. (Celeron 1.7 Ghz, 512 MB RAM)

And that "off-the-shelf" Costco computer I mentioned.... my studio inherited the computer it replaced, and even IT beats the pants off the computer we did our album on.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
#7
I want a new pc so please tell me how can this install .. which types component required and take it.. if you have a specialist so please tell me and give me his contact no..
#8
Quote by lockwolf
I'm gonna suggest 2 things here really quick:

1. Either build a PC for gaming or build a PC for recording, not both. Both recording & gaming require powerhouse PCs but they need to be differently designed. Gaming requires a cool PC which leads to fans which leads to lots of noise which if you're trying to record something, doesn't sound so pretty.

2. If you're doing Gaming, don't get a fanless video card like the one listed in that auction. Back in the day, I thought it was cool to go fanless. When gaming, video cards get really fast and most if not all fanless video cards can't handle it very well. It got to the point where it was impossible to be in my room for more than 5 minutes with my PC running.

Just a few thoughts.

Ok, these are very good points. My current laptop is actually running off an external laptop cooler so my setup is pretty loud at the moment anyway. Also most of my recording is by direct input. i just though Gaming PC = High spec so it must be good for other things aswell. if i did want to record via condenser mic i could always take it into my storeage room (which is quite small) with the laptop (not using the cooler) and dynamic mics shouldn't pick up that much noise anyway. if they do i could always record onto laptop (again)

i would need a large amount of RAM as Superior Drummer uses 1GB by itself, as well as lots of copies of Amplitube running and Cubase Plugins.

i did look at this one also which has a fan on the graphics card: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190398568184&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Quote by Maegandavisson
I want a new pc so please tell me how can this install .. which types component required and take it.. if you have a specialist so please tell me and give me his contact no..

Erm, ok. He's got alot of computers in his Ebay shop so have a look around there. All his contact details should be on his Ebay profile.
Last edited by Afroboy267 at Aug 30, 2010,
#9
Quote by axemanchris
Two things here:

1. It used to be true that you could build a better machine for less money by getting the parts and cobbling something together yourself. I used to do it. Not anymore. Our latest "family" PC desktop was an off-the-shelf model from Costco that there is no way I could build for even close to what I paid for it.

2. While it used to be true that you needed a powerhouse system to do audio recording, not anymore. Yesterday's powerhouse is today's doorstop. We did our album on a computer that you could barely even give away by today's standards - each song upwards to 36 tracks of 24-bit audio. (Celeron 1.7 Ghz, 512 MB RAM)

And that "off-the-shelf" Costco computer I mentioned.... my studio inherited the computer it replaced, and even IT beats the pants off the computer we did our album on.

CT


So true, I used to suggest everyone build their own comptuers about a year and a half ago but these days the darn things are so fast and cheap right off the shelf that it's not even needed.
I do however say stay away from AMD processors and go with the new Intel i3,i5,i7 line

External drives can choke a bit. I suggest either firewire connected ones or even Esata.

A new iMac would be great for the video and such however it's out of your budget as you said and they don't work well with gamers.

Dell is my desktop and laptop brand of choice and most stores will sell them at a good price. They should all have the new Intel processors in them as well. The i5 processor is plenty powerful enough for most people and is affordable.
#10
I wouldnt go for that PC you suggested... Simply because it has an AMD processor and Pro Tools (the industry standard digital audio workstation) will only run on machines with an Intel CPU. Pro tools is by far the best DAW and i really wouldnt bother learning to use anything else...

Also someone mentioned the problem about fans and noise... I built my own comp for gaming / music / entertainment and my case has about 7 fans inside and is quite noisy. Recording with condenser mics is tricky because the noise just spills through. Because of this I have to record in a separate room. However most of the stuff im doing at the moment is MIDI based so its not all bad
"The time I burned my guitar it was like a sacrifice. You sacrifice the things you love. I love my guitar."- Jimi Hendrix
#11
Quote by randomtom
I wouldnt go for that PC you suggested... Simply because it has an AMD processor and Pro Tools (the industry standard digital audio workstation) will only run on machines with an Intel CPU. Pro tools is by far the best DAW and i really wouldnt bother learning to use anything else...

Also someone mentioned the problem about fans and noise... I built my own comp for gaming / music / entertainment and my case has about 7 fans inside and is quite noisy. Recording with condenser mics is tricky because the noise just spills through. Because of this I have to record in a separate room. However most of the stuff im doing at the moment is MIDI based so its not all bad

Well i use Cubase 5 which i'm completely happy with. i have a demo of Pro Tools M Powered 7 which works fine on my Laptop which has an AMD Processor. i just think why try to replace something that works fine already. i'm happy with my setup, i just need a better computer.
#12
Yeah Cubase 5 is pretty good, I found it a bit fiddly compared to PT and Logic but if you're competent with it then thats fine. I think PT M powered works with AMD but PT LE and higher dont. Just something to think about incase you ever decide to switch

The best computers for music are macs... but they are overpriced and bad for gaming which is why I use windows. Id suggest getting the fastest ram, processor and hard drive you can... you might even want to consider a SSD, those things fly like a bat out of hell but are quite pricey.
"The time I burned my guitar it was like a sacrifice. You sacrifice the things you love. I love my guitar."- Jimi Hendrix
#13
Quote by randomtom
Yeah Cubase 5 is pretty good, I found it a bit fiddly compared to PT and Logic but if you're competent with it then thats fine. I think PT M powered works with AMD but PT LE and higher dont. Just something to think about incase you ever decide to switch

The best computers for music are macs... but they are overpriced and bad for gaming which is why I use windows. Id suggest getting the fastest ram, processor and hard drive you can... you might even want to consider a SSD, those things fly like a bat out of hell but are quite pricey.

Yeah, Cubase is what i've gotten used to using from my Music Tech A Level. i may look further into Pro Tools one day but for now i'll stick with what i know.

i've heard alot of good praise about Macs for music and video editing, weighing up the advantages and disadvantages the price doesn't justify it for me really. i'd rather save the money and put it towards other parts of my setup that need improvement.

SSD? Solid State Drive? it that like a built in Amp in the computer? lol
#14
Try to get the best processor and video card that you can right now. I'd go with an AMD processor as the bets AMD is only $300 for 6 physical cores. Theres too many graphics cards to suggest one lol. For RAM 4GB would be enough as most computers have expansion slots so you can always add in more RAM as you need it. And the hard drive as well is upgradeable and you have a 1tb right now, so no need to worry about your hard drive. And hard drive are INCREDIBLY cheap and are fairly easy to install.
#15
All you really need is 8 GB of DDR3 Ram, Quad processor, and lots of hard drive space, don't care what computer it is, that'll be more than enough for recording.

And there really is no difference between the Intel I Series processors and the AMD phoneme(or whatever they call them) II processors.
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Quote by ethan_hanus
All you really need is 8 GB of DDR3 Ram, Quad processor, and lots of hard drive space, don't care what computer it is, that'll be more than enough for recording.

And there really is no difference between the Intel I Series processors and the AMD phoneme(or whatever they call them) II processors.

The Intel i7-980x has 3.2ghz clocked and 3.6ghz over clocked 6 physical cores and 12 hyperthreaded cores. Uses 210 watts at peak, 95.3 watts when idle, and has 12mb l3 cache. AMD's Phenom II X6 1090T has 3.2ghz clocked 3.6ghz overclocked 6 physcial cores, and no hyperthreading. Uses 239 watts at peak and 85.2 when idle and shaes 6mb L3 cache. But the AMD can be swapped into any AM3 or AM2+ motherboard, but the new Intel can't as its a new motherboard. Those are the differences between both Intel's and AMD's top of the line processors. Basically you get the biggest bang for your buck with the AMD. But most of the I line is better then the AMD's currently.
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Quote by aguitar rampage
The Intel i7-980x has 3.2ghz clocked and 3.6ghz over clocked 6 physical cores and 12 hyperthreaded cores. Uses 210 watts at peak, 95.3 watts when idle, and has 12mb l3 cache. AMD's Phenom II X6 1090T has 3.2ghz clocked 3.6ghz overclocked 6 physcial cores, and no hyperthreading. Uses 239 watts at peak and 85.2 when idle and shaes 6mb L3 cache. But the AMD can be swapped into any AM3 or AM2+ motherboard, but the new Intel can't as its a new motherboard. Those are the differences between both Intel's and AMD's top of the line processors. Basically you get the biggest bang for your buck with the AMD. But most of the I line is better then the AMD's currently.


Uh, whatever your talking about, it doesn't matter, AMD or Intel processor will do recording and gaming just fine.

Unless your a super nerd looking for perfect performance, don't worry about the processor, as long as it's either dual core or quad core.
#18
Quote by ethan_hanus
Uh, whatever your talking about, it doesn't matter, AMD or Intel processor will do recording and gaming just fine.

Unless your a super nerd looking for perfect performance, don't worry about the processor, as long as it's either dual core or quad core.

In plain English this time. Depending on how hard you plan on pushing your computer (editing movies, playing games such as crysis, and running hard to run programs) you would be better off getting an i7 processor than an AMD. But yes either AMD or Intel will handle recording.
#19
Quote by aguitar rampage
In plain English this time. Depending on how hard you plan on pushing your computer (editing movies, playing games such as crysis, and running hard to run programs) you would be better off getting an i7 processor than an AMD. But yes either AMD or Intel will handle recording.

The sorts of Games i'm planning on playing are Oblivion (and any other elder scrolls games to come out) and some old games, oh and Fallout.

Recording and editing calls for alot. Especially seeing as though i'll be using lots of plugins. At the moment i'm useing the plugins, exporting as wave file then importing into a separate project so it's a bit of a pain, but it gets the job done.
#20
In that case you should try to get a computer with a i7-870 processor it would suit your needs really well.
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#23
Another site I forgot to mention before... PC Perspective...
They have a HW Leaderboard section that states what gear to look into for builds and why they chose each piece of gear.

http://www.pcper.com/hwlb.php

Once again, you don't gain much in building your own these days....but building the computer itself is quite easy if you get all the correct parts.....they all have their dedicated connection type and such.