#1
Ok. New amp time. Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier or Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100

I am not interested in volume or price. I am all about the tone. I play metal (not too heavy) and classic rock along with some mild shit (bluesy I guess).

Which one? Because if I look at each review they both say the amps are great and THEY BOTH CAN'T SHUT THE F**K UP ABOUT HOW THEY OWN EACH OTHER. e.g. on the Marshall review page everyone is like "Mesa sucks" and vice versa. I'd like a really honest opinion from someone whoes played both.

I'm more interested in lead tone. Which sounds better?
#2
Well tone is subjective, as you stated you played classic rock I'd immediately suggest the Marshal, but for Metal the Dual Rectifier is damn good. Thats not to say the Dual Rec cannot do crunch, in my experience you can get a really awesome blues/crunch tone with it. And on the otherhand the Marshall can very well do Metal with a slight boost.

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Depends on which Rectifier. If it's a 2000s Recto, I'd pass; they're great rhythm amps in my experience (esp. when boosted) but not-so-great for leads. If it's a '90s 2-channel or a 2010 3-channel Recto, I'd go for one of those over the TSL.
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You'll have to try them for yourself because they are very different amps and which is better depends on your own tastes really but having said that few people would disagree that DSL > TSL.
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I'm going to go with the Marshall. I think if the metal you're not playing is so high gain/heavy, then there's no reason to get the dual rectifier. As said before, you can always buy a pedal to boost the gain if needed on the Marshall. But overall, I think the JCM2000 will do just fine for about everything you're going to be playing.
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I love my JCM 2000 TSL 602.....I sold my stiletto trident to get it and I'm damn glad I did.......the best chrunch channel I've heard and the cleans are good and the lead channel is great....
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if you're playing more metal than classic rock, go with the mesa. They sound ****ING AMAZING. But if you're going to playing more classic rock, the marshall. All in all though, i say the mesa.
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I play a lot more than Classic rock.....with my TSL.
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The TSL is a very muddy amp. The dual rectifier isn't the warmest amp, although it does excel at modern metal tones.
If you want the Marshall thing, get a 2203 or a Splawn Quickrod/Nitro.
If you want the Metal thing but more versatility, a Mark IV or a Stilletto would be good.
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The DSL really only sounds good with a boost on the gain channel, sound wise, it can't hold a candle to a Recto in the metal department. If you go for a 2 channel Recto, that is by far my favorite Mesa ever produced, and I've owned almost every Mesa ever produced

The 2 channel Recto is a high gain beast, cleans are decent as well and you can get a decent crunch with it for lower gain stuff. The DSL might be a bit better in cleans and crunch, but if I had a choice between the two, it'd be Recto all the way.
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The TSL is a very muddy amp. The dual rectifier isn't the warmest amp, although it does excel at modern metal tones.
If you want the Marshall thing, get a 2203 or a Splawn Quickrod/Nitro.
If you want the Metal thing but more versatility, a Mark IV or a Stilletto would be good.

I don't agree my TSL is not muddy.....not even close....its no muddier than my Boogie Mark III, stiletto trident, Budda sd 18......pre amp tubes make a huge difference with this amp.
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Normally for metal I would've suggested the Dual Rec, but if your not wanting particularly heavy metal tones, as well as classic rock and blues, I think you would be far better off with a Marshall. You would probably find it easier to get the lighter tones out of the Marshall than the Mesa.
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Normally for metal I would've suggested the Dual Rec, but if your not wanting particularly heavy metal tones, as well as classic rock and blues, I think you would be far better off with a Marshall. You would probably find it easier to get the lighter tones out of the Marshall than the Mesa.

I agree.......the crunch channel and a TS = early metallica.....
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Shit I sold my stiletto after I played the tsl 602......then went and bought the 602.....it has the best crunch channel on any amp I've owned....from the blues to kick on a TS and play some metal....it coves a shit load of territory.....IMO
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The lead channel is damn good also big thick and with good tubes and speakers in my amp not muddy......if you get it mess around with some different tubes...its amazing how much you can change this amp with 12ax7s......it's classic marshall!
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The lead channel is damn good also big thick and with good tubes and speakers in my amp not muddy......if you get it mess around with some different tubes...its amazing how much you can change this amp with 12ax7s......it's classic marshall!
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#20
I really like the marshall jvm series
very versatile and awesome tones.

for mesa either a mark series 4 or 5 or a dual rectifier, all great sounding versatile amps
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I hope you'll pardon me for pointing out that you appear to be an enormous fanboy.

Geeezzz man no shit why that's why I own it.....if you read my post I sold my stiletto trident to get it.....u sir are the master of the obvious...
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if lead tone is what you want this will give you a pretty good idea of what you can expect from the Mesa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSborNTfjDM

personally i'd go for the Mesa cos that is my video lol, but i'd try out both and see what you like
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Geeezzz man no shit why that's why I own it.....if you read my post I sold my stiletto trident to get it.....u sir are the master of the obvious...

i dont know why and i could be wrong but im kinda doubting you had a stiletto trident. and even if you did its 150 watts so i doubt you cranked it enough to get a good tone.

OT. ts try to find a way to play both and compare. im also pretty aure rectos can be swapped with some el-34's. this wont give you the marshall sound exactly but maybe its good mid ground.
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Geeezzz man no shit why that's why I own it.....if you read my post I sold my stiletto trident to get it.....u sir are the master of the obvious...
I know it's obvious, but I was wondering if you were aware that nobody is going to take your advice seriously if you present it like that.
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#25
It completely depends on what type of tone you want, the Mesa is an American voiced amp, so it's going to be dark and smooth, the Marshall is a British voiced amp, so it's going to be bright and gritty, now, do you want to play with a dark sounding tone, or do you want a bright tone?

I see Marshall's more with classic metal bands and rock bands, and I see more Mesa's and Peavey's with modern metal.
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i dont know why and i could be wrong but im kinda doubting you had a stiletto trident. and even if you did its 150 watts so i doubt you cranked it enough to get a good tone.

OT. ts try to find a way to play both and compare. im also pretty aure rectos can be swapped with some el-34's. this wont give you the marshall sound exactly but maybe its good mid ground.

Take a look in my profile at my ibanez prestige the stiletto is in the pic....lol and yeah ur wrong it was kranked quie a bit....and its still not as good of an over all amp than the TSL...


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The Series I Stilettos aren't that great IMO. The Series II blows them out of the water. I can see why you'd like the TSL better. Personally, I've never liked a TSL I've played though and that includes one a friend bought and flipped after a few retubes because he couldn't get it to sound all that great. The cleans are pretty nice but I'm not a fan of the gain channels, especially without a boost.
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#28
You like your TSL, we get it. We got it after you said it the first time.


TS... I don't know, buy a TriAmp or something.
I don't see how a JCM2000 and Recto are comparable, but anyway, without a more detailed description of what you play (how heavy exactly do you go? Any bands that have a tone similar to what you want to achieve?), this is hard to answer.
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You like your TSL, we get it. We got it after you said it the first time.


TS... I don't know, buy a TriAmp or something.
I don't see how a JCM2000 and Recto are comparable, but anyway, without a more detailed description of what you play (how heavy exactly do you go? Any bands that have a tone similar to what you want to achieve?), this is hard to answer.

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The Series I Stilettos aren't that great IMO. The Series II blows them out of the water. I can see why you'd like the TSL better. Personally, I've never liked a TSL I've played though and that includes one a friend bought and flipped after a few retubes because he couldn't get it to sound all that great. The cleans are pretty nice but I'm not a fan of the gain channels, especially without a boost.

Yes like almost every tube amp made .........they do sound better boosted.
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You like your TSL, we get it. We got it after you said it the first time.


TS... I don't know, buy a TriAmp or something.
I don't see how a JCM2000 and Recto are comparable, but anyway, without a more detailed description of what you play (how heavy exactly do you go? Any bands that have a tone similar to what you want to achieve?), this is hard to answer.


Bingo.

That is pretty much what I was going to say.


PS: I liked the TSL for what it was


mmjohn is a cool cat - he's just trying to make a point - so back off

mmjohn, quit with the TSL spam already


v.....I know. I did a review thread not too long ago and gave the TSL fairly high marks for being the 'biggest surprise of the day' or something like that
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Bingo.

That is pretty much what I was going to say.


PS: I liked the TSL for what it was


mmjohn is a cool cat - he's just trying to make a point - so back off

mmjohn, quit with the TSL spam already

Lol...not spammin. I've just seen a bunch for sale at good prices and it seems to be one of those parroting issues where people have never tried one and try giving advice....
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