#1
I just recently acquired a sunn 215b (for free ) which has two 4 ohm inputs, so no worries on compatibility issues with my head.
I also have a Bugera 412 cab.

I don't know where I'm going with this really, but would I be nicer off with using the 215b rather than the Bugera, since the bugera has stock speakers? I've heard Sunn amps are like... Jesus, so I thought I'd come here to ask you guys.

I haven't had a chance to hook it up yet, seeing as my head is out of commission at the moment.

If it's any help, I do play a lot of chug chug brutal whatever. So would the bass coming from the cab be overwhelming? It's ported also.
#2
I'd try and sell the Sunn cab if you could. You could get some serious cash for it, and replace the tubes in your Bugera
You won't get the tones you want out of 15" speakers. Why do you think even bands like JFaC and White Chapel use 4x12s? Even with how low end-heavy they are, 12" speakers give better definition for a guitar.
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#3
You should use your ears and LISTEN to them - then make up your own mind.
Sorry if this seems harsh, but you do have both cabs in your possession.
#4
Quote by cgolden
I'd try and sell the Sunn cab if you could. You could get some serious cash for it, and replace the tubes in your Bugera
You won't get the tones you want out of 15" speakers. Why do you think even bands like JFaC and White Chapel use 4x12s? Even with how low end-heavy they are, 12" speakers give better definition for a guitar.



Well, I was just curious, and I just got it last night. :P how much you think I could get out of it?

And the other guy, I would test it, but like I said in the original post, I don't have anything to test it out -__-
#5
Get some tubes, or borrow a friend's amp? Hard for us to answer that question.
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#6
Quote by Kanthras
Get some tubes, or borrow a friend's amp? Hard for us to answer that question.


I'm really not trying to be difficult or anything here, but I don't know anyone with a head

I was just assuming the quality would be way better than that of my bugera cab.
#7
Use both. 15 inch speakers sound ****ing br00t4l. Tons of low end. And plenty of definition. Contrary to what that other dude will tell you.
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#8
Quote by mmolteratx
Use both. 15 inch speakers sound ****ing br00t4l. Tons of low end. And plenty of definition. Contrary to what that other dude will tell you.

Or that.
Would be a bitch to lug around, though.
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#9
Quote by mmolteratx
Use both. 15 inch speakers sound ****ing br00t4l. Tons of low end. And plenty of definition. Contrary to what that other dude will tell you.


From what I understand, if I were to use both, id only be using two twelves and one fifteen because they both have 4 ohms for mono inputs.


Edit: stereo, I'm retarded. D:
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#10
Quote by TheDefected
From what I understand, if I were to use both, id only be using two twelves and one fifteen because they both have 4 ohms for mono inputs.


Do you have pics of the back panels of the cabs? The 4 ohm thing could cause a problem.
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#11
Quote by TheDefected
From what I understand, if I were to use both, id only be using two twelves and one fifteen because they both have 4 ohms for mono inputs.

Wut? Why would it suddenly only use half the speakers?
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#12
Quote by TheDefected

And the other guy, I would test it, but like I said in the original post, I don't have anything to test it out -__-


Oups, sorry, I missd that.
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#14
Quote by cgolden
I'd try and sell the Sunn cab if you could. You could get some serious cash for it, and replace the tubes in your Bugera
You won't get the tones you want out of 15" speakers. Why do you think even bands like JFaC and White Chapel use 4x12s? Even with how low end-heavy they are, 12" speakers give better definition for a guitar.



at one point whitechapel had a vader 4x12 on top of a vader 2x15 for at least one guitarist

edit: a picture since i had it on my comp lol

Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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Last edited by InanezGuitars44 at Aug 30, 2010,
#16
That'll cause problems. You could rewire the Sunn for 16ohm operation and run that and the Bugera set to 16ohms in parallel with the amp set to 8ohms.
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#17
Quote by mmolteratx
That'll cause problems. You could rewire the Sunn for 16ohm operation and run that and the Bugera set to 16ohms in parallel with the amp set to 8ohms.

This is very relevant to my interests.
An explanation would be great :P
I would have thought I could only rewire the Sunn to 2 ohms, seeing as I could bridge the two speakers? But that would be useless
#19
Quote by TheDefected
This is very relevant to my interests.
An explanation would be great :P
I would have thought I could only rewire the Sunn to 2 ohms, seeing as I could bridge the two speakers? But that would be useless
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#21
what they are saying, in a somewhat simplified fashion, is:

the bugera cab in mono is 16 ohm. the sunn cab is at 4. if you could rewire the sunn cab to 8 ohm, then running both cabs together would equal 8 ohm. then you could set your amp to 8 ohm and everything would be fine
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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#22
Quote by InanezGuitars44
what they are saying, in a somewhat simplified fashion, is:

the bugera cab in mono is 16 ohm. the sunn cab is at 4. if you could rewire the sunn cab to 16 ohm, then running both cabs together would equal 8 ohm. then you could set your amp to 8 ohm and everything would be fine


Fixed.

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#24
Yup. Set the amp to 8ohms and then put a cable from each output to the respective cab.
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#26
Don't mean to hijack but I'm confused.

When using two cabs of equal ohms you have to cut the ohms on the amp in half?

8 ohm cab
8 ohm cab
4 ohm head

Seems like such a simple question for being on the forums for over 4 years but maybe I'm missing something lol.
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#28
Quote by kylendm
Don't mean to hijack but I'm confused.

When using two cabs of equal ohms you have to cut the ohms on the amp in half?

8 ohm cab
8 ohm cab
4 ohm head

Seems like such a simple question for being on the forums for over 4 years but maybe I'm missing something lol.


It really depends on the amp but the vast majority have the speaker outs wired in parallel. Two 16ohm cabs in parallel = 8ohms. So you'd use that setting on the cab.
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#29
doh! i meant to say 16 up there! thanks for the fix!
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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#30
Quote by InanezGuitars44
doh! i meant to say 16 up there! thanks for the fix!


I figured since the rest of your post was right.
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#31
Quote by mmolteratx
Yup. Set the amp to 8ohms and then put a cable from each output to the respective cab.



Okay, I was thinking this through again.
and I just realized somehing.


8 ohm output ---> 8 ohm mono input Sunn
8 ohm output ---> 8 ohm stereo input Bugera


I'd be running two fifteens, and two twelves.
Is there anyways I could wire the Sunn to 16 ohms?
#32
Quote by TheDefected
Okay, I was thinking this through again.
and I just realized somehing.


8 ohm output ---> 8 ohm mono input Sunn
8 ohm output ---> 8 ohm stereo input Bugera


I'd be running two fifteens, and two twelves.
Is there anyways I could wire the Sunn to 16 ohms?
If it has two 8 Ohm speakers, wire the speakers in series and you'll have a 16 Ohm cab.
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#34
I love 15"s for guitar, but you would want a sealed cabinet. Your Sunn 215b is a great cabinet for bass, but it won't be very loud because it's ported and tuned far too low for guitar.

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#35
keep the 215 and start to play electric wizard esque metal. only.
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