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I recently reread the book 1984 and it got me thinking. Do you ever think the world will be like 1984. If you haven't read it, it's similar to V for Vendetta. I think the movie was based off of 1984. So what do you think? Could the world ever be that bad?
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There was a similar thread to this, explaining how entire cities is going use iris recognition or something. And I don't really know.
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Erm, V For Vendetta was based on a graphic novel from the 80s, which was based on authoritarian tints to Britain which the author saw at the time.
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I prefer A Brave New World.
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I prefer A Brave New World.


Same. As much as I adore Orwell, Huxley's ideas of emotional engineering and manufactured happiness is far more intriguing than Stalin-esque oppression.
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I don't think it is gonna happen. People may be stupid but I have enough faith left in humanity to believe that we aren't that stupid.
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I have never read the book so I don't know, you are better of asking Matt Bellamy
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hell no dawg. with the internet and technology now, there can be no eternal war like the book says, we'll just communicate and stuff and get over it
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I recently reread the book 1984 and it got me thinking. Do you ever think the world will be like 1984. If you haven't read it, it's similar to V for Vendetta. I think the movie was based off of 1984. So what do you think? Could the world ever be that bad?

You mean graphic novel, which the film was based off of.


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Actually wrote a research paper on it last semester in college showing how some ideas could have been drawn from the communist manifesto.
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Same. As much as I adore Orwell, Huxley's ideas of emotional engineering and manufactured happiness is far more intriguing than Stalin-esque oppression.


I think it's also a more likely way for a government like that to be instated or whatever. Huxley's version could be a gradual change over years and years, but 1984 version would probably have more resistance.

edit: as in, if (for instance) the English government were to start putting surveillance in peoples houses and forcing them to have windows people can see in through, there would be alot of protests and riots, and it would take forever to happen, where as people would probably be okay if they started being given rations of drugs.
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Regardless, they aren't directly comparable. I feel like Huxley delved a little more into the philosophy, where as Orwell was far more grounded in politics.
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The part where we are being watched all the time is already happening. Almost every street corner has a freaking camera now...
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Same. As much as I adore Orwell, Huxley's ideas of emotional engineering and manufactured happiness is far more intriguing than Stalin-esque oppression.

Personally, I found 1984 a better book, but A Brave New World far more relevant in the modern world. The only country like 1984 is N. Korea, but A Brave New World has far more parallels with the current state of the 'Western' world.
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Whenever I see a thread with this title I pray to my heathen gods that it's about the Van Halen album...

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I'd just like it to be about music from that year. Some damn good records came out in '84.

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - From Her to Eternity
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
The Gun Club - The Las Vegas Story
Violent Femmes - Hallowed Ground
Black Flag - Slip It In
The Pogues - Red Roses For Me
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Great book. I was thinking while re-reading it once how we have already begun the process of adapting 'newspeak' through means of instant messaging and texting. We shorten words to make them faster to type, speak in incorrect grammatical fashion, and in a sense remove all emotion, personal thought and intelligence from our speech, all in convenience sake.
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#26
Wow there's alot of threads about this popping up lately.
I see it more likely that we'll have something like Brave new world before we ever have something like 1984.
I could be wrong though. Germany, Russia, and NK have/had a dystopian government at some point in time. If it can happen to them I'm sure it could happen to the US at some point.
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Great book. I was thinking while re-reading it once how we have already begun the process of adapting 'newspeak' through means of instant messaging and texting. We shorten words to make them faster to type, speak in incorrect grammatical fashion, and in a sense remove all emotion, personal thought and intelligence from our speech, all in convenience sake.

That's a really narrowminded way of looking at text-based communication. Sure, some people remove all vowels and sense of humanity from their texts in the same way that some authors are Stephanie Meyer, but people came up with emoticons for a reason.

Yes, it isn't a replacement for actual face to face conversation, but to assume all texting is shallow and pointless is missing the details.

I'd hardly call it newspeak.
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Some would argue it already has happened. There are a lot of parallels between the book and real life.
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I already said that.

I could see something like this happening at some point here in America, but most likely it won't be for a while. When it does I'm sneaking my ass out of the country as fast as I can. I'll die before I let that happen to me.
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I recently reread the book 1984 and it got me thinking. Do you ever think the world will be like 1984. If you haven't read it, it's similar to V for Vendetta. I think the movie was based off of 1984. So what do you think? Could the world ever be that bad?

V for Vendetta is based on V for Vendetta by Alan Moore.
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I prefer A Brave New World.

This one is much more likely. We enslave ourselves through our meaningless pleasures and mundane, repetitive lifestyle.

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hell no dawg. with the internet and technology now, there can be no eternal war like the book says, we'll just communicate and stuff and get over it
Since that's worked so well with all the wars going on now...

Actually, there are elements of the US and British governments that prolly would lean more towards the authoritarian side of Socialism. So, yes, I do think it's possible that our governments could become like many dystopian models.
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Actually wrote a research paper on it last semester in college showing how some ideas could have been drawn from the communist manifesto.




You know Orwell was a socialist, right?
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Famous last words.

Go back 20, 50, 100 years and tell a American about how Americans look to regulate each other with various taxes, bans and more government offices/departments than anybody can realize and they would have said that. They also would have said nobody would put up with that.

Go back 50 or 100 years and tell a Londoner they wil be spied on by cameras everywhere and they would have said "it will never happen" and "people wouldn't allow it".


Oh don't be naive to what certain masses will give up for comfort and a false security.
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You know Orwell was a socialist, right?

That's irrelevant, have you read the book? Remember Goldberg's book? Then remember the idea that the proles could take over if they only knew what was going on? The book WAS based on the Communist Manifesto, in a positive light.
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