#1
which has the better cab?

everyone in hard rock has a MESA...but when it comes to the 2x12, are they better than orange's cabs?

what about orange's open back cab? or mesa's vertical 2x12...personally i like the idea of the vertical cab...i tend to have my horizontal cab turned horizontally anyways...

i like the Mesa right now, b/c i wouldn't have to special order it to run with my head...Orange would need 16 ohm speakers put in it, or be rewired to 4ohm...

the other question would be the handles...mesa has the single handle on the top, while orange has recessed handles on the sides...preference?

opinions??
#2
I'd get the mesa...
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Personally i'd take the Orange over the Mesa mainly because it's half the price and the Mesa is definitely not twice as good


While the Mesa probably isn't twice as good, IMO it is better. Whether the better quality is worth the extra money or not isn't my call to make.

There's a band that mine has played with a couple times. They only have one guitarist and he ran his 5150 through 2 2x12 cabs, one Mesa, one Orange. He set them on opposite sides of the stage and and it sounded really good even without being miced. Kinda gave the illusion that there we're two guitarists.
#5
Both are really the same quality, Orange might be cheaper in Australia, but I'd assume since, in the US, Mesa is cheaper, that they'd also be cheaper in Canada.

My friend has an Orange cab and I really like it. I'd say it sounds better than a Mesa, but is it worth the extra cost (~$2-300 more than the Mesa)? I'd say no.
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#6
Even most Orange fans on the official Orange forums will tell you to get the Mesa cab. Orange cabs really are laser beams. If you're not in front if it, you get nothing. They just don't project that well. The Mesa projects much better and is built just as well. Go Mesa.
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Personally i'd take the Orange over the Mesa mainly because it's half the price and the Mesa is definitely not twice as good


Hmm...I don't know where you're getting your numbers...

I've never seen an Orange 2x12 go for half the price of a Mesa 2x12.
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#8
The Mesa 2x12s are nowhere near as nice as the Mesa 4x12s. They lack the 'oomph'. They are by no means 'bad' cabinets - the price and quality reflects that - but I just feel they're overused, and I cannot figure out why.

Orange 2x12s, however, have enormous low-end and midrange. They are physically larger than the Mesa models, use thicker materials and are 16 ohms, which, to me at least, allows for better bass response.

If can find a Mesa 2x12 second-hand for the right price, go for it. But if you want to buy new, Orange is probably the better alternative. In my opinion anyway.
#9
I was in this exact same situation. And I went for the Orange. I liked the way both sounded, but I really liked the projection of the Orange. I went with the Orange 2x12 open back. Fantastic tone. It spreads the sound better AND keeps a tight bass growl. It even has two "resonance strips" on the bottom to help the low end spread. Best piece of gear Ive bought in a long time
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#10
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Both are really the same quality, Orange might be cheaper in Australia, but I'd assume since, in the US, Mesa is cheaper, that they'd also be cheaper in Canada.

My friend has an Orange cab and I really like it. I'd say it sounds better than a Mesa, but is it worth the extra cost (~$2-300 more than the Mesa)? I'd say no.


Whaaa???

They're barely even $100 apart unless you go for the open back orange which is about the same or cheaper than the mesa. Can't remember though.

Anywho, I got to try a Mesa 4x12 vs Orange 2x12 at a studio a year ago or so and the Orange was better. Not by a large margin but enough to say it was better.
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Whaaa???

They're barely even $100 apart unless you go for the open back orange which is about the same or cheaper than the mesa. Can't remember though.

Anywho, I got to try a Mesa 4x12 vs Orange 2x12 at a studio a year ago or so and the Orange was better. Not by a large margin but enough to say it was better.

Not on the used market.

Orange holds its value a lot better than Mesa.
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#13
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Hmm...I don't know where you're getting your numbers...

I've never seen an Orange 2x12 go for half the price of a Mesa 2x12.

In wacky backwards prices land (down under) they are

http://www.fivestarmusic.com.au/epages/fivestarmusic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/fivestarmusic/Products/PPC212/SubProducts/PPC212OB

http://www.proaudio.com.au/shoppingcart/products/Mesa-Boogie-Rectifier-2x12-Horizontal-Cabinet.html

If you put a Mesa Engineering logo on a tin of beans down here they would try to sell it for a grand lol
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#14
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The Mesa 2x12s are nowhere near as nice as the Mesa 4x12s. They lack the 'oomph'. They are by no means 'bad' cabinets - the price and quality reflects that - but I just feel they're overused, and I cannot figure out why.

Orange 2x12s, however, have enormous low-end and midrange. They are physically larger than the Mesa models, use thicker materials and are 16 ohms, which, to me at least, allows for better bass response.

If can find a Mesa 2x12 second-hand for the right price, go for it. But if you want to buy new, Orange is probably the better alternative. In my opinion anyway.

This, and what MC said.

Were I to find an Orange 2x12 on my CL, I'd take it over my Mesa any day of the week.
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#15
Orange! They may not project fantastically, but they sound damn good. I took an Orange over a Mesa when I was cab shopping, and I do not in any way regret it.

The clips in my profile are done with an Orange 2x12, so check it if you like.

Definitely try em both if you can though, your ear is different than mine.
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#17
i don't know how mesa 'projects better' as has been claimed. why would orange 2x12's be more of a 'laser beam' than a mesa? what does the mesa's design do to break this up? i ask these questions cuz i want real answers not 'play em and you'll see what i mean' cuz i have played more mesa cabs than i have fingers, and i've owned an orange ppc212 for years so it's not like i don't know what they sound like.

as far as i can tell there is no special pattern or design for better projection with a mesa cab, internal dimensions will dictate certain tonal responses but all the noise comes right back out the speaker holes in closed back cabs anyway, so i don't see how one has an advantage over the other.
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cuz i have played more mesa cabs than i have fingers, and i've owned an orange ppc212 for years so it's not like i don't know what they sound like.



so you would be one who knows...which do you prefer? why?

the fact that the ORANGE comes at 16ohm means i would need to special order it to get it at 8ohm...one disadvantage
#19
Do you have to get either?
I haven't used an Orange 2x12, but I've heard good things. A session guy I know (Mke Casswell) uses Boogie 2x12's live, and gets a great sound. They have huge low end. Much more than the orange IMO.
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#20
^If you haven't used an Orange, how would you know?
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I didn't claim to know...
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Do you have to get either?
I haven't used an Orange 2x12, but I've heard good things. A session guy I know (Mke Casswell) uses Boogie 2x12's live, and gets a great sound. They have huge low end. Much more than the orange IMO.

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I didn't claim to know...
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They have huge low end. Much more than the orange IMO.
Just because you used the abbreviations "IMO", it doesn't mean that you're not claiming to know, because you are claiming to know.

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so you would be one who knows...which do you prefer? why?

the fact that the ORANGE comes at 16ohm means i would need to special order it to get it at 8ohm...one disadvantage
Why do you need 8 ohms?
#25
I think the consensus is that orange are better value for money in UK/europe cause theyre UK built, mesa are better value for money in the US, cause theyre US built.

An orange 4x12 here costs about £600.
A mesa costs around the £900 mark.

A 4x12 orange in the us is like $1100.
A mesa 4x12 is around $900.

Ive never tried a mesa cab, but i wouldnt imagine in terms of build quality and sound quality theyre going to be too far off. Its just dependant on where you are in the world on where youd get the better deal. Go with whats cheaper.
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I think the consensus is that orange are better value for money in UK/europe cause theyre UK built, mesa are better value for money in the US, cause theyre US built.

An orange 4x12 here costs about £600.
A mesa costs around the £900 mark.

A 4x12 orange in the us is like $1100.
A mesa 4x12 is around $900.

Ive never tried a mesa cab, but i wouldnt imagine in terms of build quality and sound quality theyre going to be too far off. Its just dependant on where you are in the world on where youd get the better deal. Go with whats cheaper.

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As I said, I'd rather have an Orange cab ( I'm an Orange cab fan boy ) but the Mesa is still great. There are few cabs I'd rather have in my rig.
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#28
Well... I have used Orange 4x12's, but not the 2x12's. So I couldn't vouch for that.
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