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#1
Hi,
I'm looking for my sound for a long time.
I don't listen ac dc, but i love their guitar sound, also the jet sound.
The way to get this sound is a Marshall 1974x.
But i can't afford the 1500€ because i'm just 14.
I play most times oasis, kasabian, arctic monkeys, jet...
I heard that the orange tiny terror and a greenback cab can get the 60' marshall sound.
I also like the sound of noel's fender blues junior cranked live.
Maybe an AC 30 would be an opinion too.
So my opinions are marshall 1974x, Orange Tiny terror (greenbacks), fender blues jr. and vox ac 30.
Budget is around 1000€.
Should i save for the marshall?
Are the 15watt TT enough for live?
Which amp would you take and with which one do i get the ac dc, jet marshall sound?
#2
Get a job, buy the Marshall.
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#3
if your really that intent on getting the sound i suggest you save for it, i would go for the line 6 pod x3 live if i was you though, it is a multi effects pedal that has AMAZING amp modelling, i don't care what people think of them, they sound so close to the originals it's not even funny, look it up and go try one if you can. But do not get an ac30, they have almost NO distortion, i've never been a fan of orange either but i think one would do well. To be honest you won't get that true marshall sound other than the real thing, i think the closest thing is the line 6's amp modelling... what i'd do is get the pedal and buy a crap head with an effects loop, a good used cab, and then you use the power amp of the head (by plugging into the return of the heads effects loop) and there you have it... Or you could get a job.
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#4
An Orange AD30 has some awesome crunch on it. But maybe look at a Valvepower 18W clone. They sound awesome and are pretty cheap.
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#5
Min (AcousticMirror) just picked up 3 1974Xs. He chained them all together to get this:

Marshall!

Try getting that with a POD.
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#7
really how long will it take you to save 500 more? if you have 1000 and you need 1500 for the head just save up 500. It will be wroth it in the end. Plus are you in a rush to get a new amp?
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#10
Ok, thanks first for your answers.
I don't like those pods, boss...
A friend has the boss gt 10 and i tried it and didn't like the overdriven sound.

There are no Job's for a 14 year old in austria.
I could save the 500 in one year, but i asked myself if it's worth the money, or if i get the same sound with a tt and greenbacks.
#11
Quote by mmolteratx
Min (AcousticMirror) just picked up 3 1974Xs. He chained them all together to get this:

Marshall!

Try getting that with a POD.


Did he really do that??

and TS try them out in person. only way you can be sure tbh, we can sit here all day and tell you to get this and that but go try stuff
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#12
Yeah you wont get the same sound with a TT and greenbacks.

Although orange are sometwhat comparable to marshall, the general voicing is much darker and less defined.

If you can get the valvepower where you are go for it.
Otherwise maybe a ceriatone marshall clone?
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#14
Don't compromise buy getting aTT or Haze. You can get a Ceriatone clone of a 1974x for 638 euros plus the 232 euros for shipping and then any money leftover can be used for a nice speaker. The Ceriatone clone will be the exact same as the 1974x, but handwired on turretboards with high quality parts unlike the Marshall Reissue which is PCB and cheap, not period correct parts.
#15
The Haze is not going to make you happy if you want an 18W Marshall. The 1974 is an absolute classic up there with Plexis and JTMs, the Haze doesn't sound like a classic Marshall in the slightest.
Quite a healthy little community has built up around the 18W Marshall. They are a popular amp to build, partly because they are so simple. The preamp for them makes a Champ look complex; well, apart from the tremelo. I'm building one myself atm.
I think there are a few kits around to do it. I'm making mine from scratch into a non-conventional cabinet so I haven't actually taken much notice of what is available in the way of kits, but I do recall such things being around.
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#17
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An Orange AD30 has some awesome crunch on it. But maybe look at a Valvepower 18W clone. They sound awesome and are pretty cheap.

new, the ad30 is as expensive as the 1974x lol

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Quote by mmolteratx
Min (AcousticMirror) just picked up 3 1974Xs. He chained them all together to get this:

Marshall!

Try getting that with a POD.


wow his playing has improved lol
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#18
Get a ValvePower - http://valvepower.co.uk/

Handwired in England, with a VVR (which is great feature) and they are really great amps.
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#19
also, brownnote makes some nice clones as well as what has been mentioned.
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#22
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Valve Power 18W. Done. I'd rather have it than the Marshall, TBH.


+1, I have one. It's like £350 (+£10 european shipping), which is like 400-450 euro or so (hit up xe to do the conversion, bear in mind your credit card company will take a commission and probably screw you slightly on the exchange rate). You need a cab too, but you'll still be way under budget.

Assuming of course you don't need the tremolo channel- maybe consider e.g. english valve amps if you need the tremolo channel? I think they do one with tremolo (though checking their site, it seems to be based on the watkins dominator- i heard it was pretty close to a marshall 18 watter, but I haven't tried it, and it might not be what you want). Haven't tried it, though.
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#23
Ok, i'll look into those valvepower and ceriatone clones.
I don't need a tremolo. The ef84 ceriatone 18 watt looks very interesting because of the ef channel.
Has anyone compared the valvepower with the original marshall?
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#24
I would not buy the real deal yet. You're still young so your taste in music will change quite a lot so as others mentioned it might be better to get a Pod.
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#25
I really don't want such a modeller, and i think i won't change my music style.
I will always hear rock, britpop, indie rock.
Do the valve power and ceriatone clones sound much different to the original?
The ceriatone head without head cabinet is with shipping around 625€ and with cabinet it is 850€.
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#26
i haven't tried the original marshall. the valvepower sounds like what I'd consider a vintage marshall to sound like, but that might just be in my head, lol. My own gut is that if the circuit is the same, it should sound at least well within the ballpark (and there's a fair chance that both valvepower and ceriatone are using more accurate vintage parts than marshall is, lol). One big advantage which the valvepower has is the VVR- that lets you get cranked tones at low volumes. Ok, it doesn't sound exactly the same as higher volumes, but it's fairly close, and is better than not having the feature at all.

If you want to hear what an ef86 sounds like, blackstar's artisan has an ef86 channel... might be worth a try if you haven't tried it already.
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#27
Lots of nice suggestions in this thread.


Just to throw in some more options, maybe consider a H&K Statesman, the Dual EL84 and Quad EL84 in particular. They're around 800€ or 900€ respectively new, but you can pick them up a bit cheaper sometimes:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Hughes-Kettner-Statesman-Quad-EL84-Combo-/250641845253?pt=Amps&hash=item3a5b6b0c05#ht_1741wt_1137

The new Laney Lionheart L20T also looks interesting:
http://www.thomann.de/at/laney_l20t112_lionheart.htm

Neither will be spot on, but they're decent enough approximations, I think.

You can also look for a used Framus Ruby Riot on ebay, they go for around 1000€, sometimes below. It's more Vox-y than Marshall-y, but it'd work for the music you play.
#29
I think I'll look at the ceriatone 18 watt TMB.
It has instead of the tremolo, a channel with treble middle bass, which is, i think, cleaner than the tone volume channel.
Whith shipping, the head costs me 800€.
And ill get a 2x12 greenback cabinet.
Did anybody compared these 2? i heard a youtube video marshall vs ceriatone and the marshall was way better.
what do you thing?
#31
i'd be very wary of youtube vids.
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#32
Does the VVR have much of an impact on the overall sound? I'd be scared to corrupt the pure simplicity of an 18W Marshall, it's that extreme simplicity that gives it its charm. Simplest A/B amp ever conceived.
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#33
Wait. You can't afford the 1500 because you're 14, and yet you have 1000?

....

Does not compute. Anyways. Get the Ceriatone or the Valve Power. Easily better than the 1974.
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#34
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Does the VVR have much of an impact on the overall sound? I'd be scared to corrupt the pure simplicity of an 18W Marshall, it's that extreme simplicity that gives it its charm. Simplest A/B amp ever conceived.

Many over at the 18watt forums love the VVR in the 18watter.
#35
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Many over at the 18watt forums love the VVR in the 18watter.

Well most of those guys are pretty hard core tone freaks so that says quite a bit really.
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#36
i have no idea, I've only tried mine which already has it installed. It's not perfect, with the VVR up full (i.e. off, so full power) the tone is a bit brighter and more immediate, it's warmer and smoother with the power dialled back a bit. But considering it lets you get overdrive at lower volumes (and what's more, overdrive which definitely sounds and feels like it's power tube-derived), it's worth it to me anyway.
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#37
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Does the VVR have much of an impact on the overall sound? I'd be scared to corrupt the pure simplicity of an 18W Marshall, it's that extreme simplicity that gives it its charm. Simplest A/B amp ever conceived.


Allyn Meyer recommends against it on his Trainwreck clones if you're gonna be playing at full wattage most of the time. He says the tone change is slight but definitely there. I have no experience with it though.
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#39
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A lot of the Trainwreck guys on Amp Garage still use it on their clones and derivatives, though,


Yea, it's definitely useful and practically required if you want a Trainwreck to get some gain and still sound nice at low volumes.
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#40
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Wait. You can't afford the 1500 because you're 14, and yet you have 1000?

....

Does not compute. Anyways. Get the Ceriatone or the Valve Power. Easily better than the 1974.


I could afford it if i would wait, but i dont want to pay 1500€ for a 1x12 speaker amp.

If the ceriatone is really as good or even better than the original, it would be better to buy it because i dont need the tremolo and can buy it instead of the tremolo with another channel (should sound a bit like a vox what i heard) and can buy a 2x12 cab and im still much under the 1500€.
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