#2


Every chord is diminished, for both the whole-half and the half-whole dim scale
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Quote by pigeonmafia


Every chord is diminished, for both the whole-half and the half-whole dim scale

Are you sure? I mean, that just doesn't make sense. For example, the major scale goes like: maj, min, min, maj, maj, min, dim. The minor like: min, maj, maj, min, min, maj, maj. (Or so I was taught.) Why then would the chords of the diminished scale go: dim, dim, dim, dim, dim, dim, dim? That makes no sense to me. But maybe I'm missing something...
#5
Because, in the dim scales, the intervals between notes alternates between a half step and a whole step, meaning every other note would have an interval of a half step plus a whole step, making a minor third.

Therefore, every triad based on taking every other note (ie, getting a third and a 5th) will result in two stacked minor thirds: a root, a minor third, and a diminished 5th.

So, we end up with all dimished chords

Obviously you can get other chords: for example, if you took the 1st, 3rd, and 6th notes from the root position of the h-w dimished, you would get a minor chord
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#7
C D Eb F Gb Ab Bbb B(Cb) C

C Eb Gb = Cdim
D F Ab = Ddim
Eb Gb Bbb= Eb Dim
F Ab Cb = Fdim
Gb Bbb C(Dbb) = Gbdim
You get the idea, its all dim chords
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#8
Diminished scales aren't meant to be a basis for harmony, they're to be used to create tension ... which is technically the opposite of harmony.
#9
Quote by WishfulShredder
Uhh no guys it contains the 7b9 chord as well (which is technically a rootless diminished, but still, the point stands)


Other way round, Diminished 7ths can be thought of as rootless 7b9s.
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#10
Believe the answers given in this thread.

If you want to learn what other chords are derived from a diminished scale using some Holdsworthian ideas, learn to name and identify the 3 notes in every possible triad and their inversions.

That will not help you harmonize though. Its the nature of symmetrical scales. You might want to read up on symmetrical scales.

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Sean
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#11
Check this out...the Diminished scale contains:

4 Major triads
4 Minor triads
4 dom7 chords
4 m7 chord
4 m7b5 chord
4 dim7 chords

Once you understand this you can find all sorts of places to find diminished uses! Follow these links below and find a TON of ways to find diminished sounds in music and add them to your music...

One of the best ways to understand diminished stuff is through chord progressions and as a next-level extension to chord substitution, these two lessons will show you tons: http://mikedodge.freeforums.org/substitutions-and-the-vim-iim-v-i-progression-part-1-of-2-t3.html and http://mikedodge.freeforums.org/substitutions-and-the-vim-iim-v-i-progression-part-2-of-2-t4.html

This will show you how to take a common progression (ala Take The A Train) and turn it into nothing but dim7 chords: http://lessons.mikedodge.com/lessons/Jazz1/chordthoughts.htm

This will show you some common diminished concepts and where you hear them today and how you can find them yourself: http://mikedodge.freeforums.org/diminished-concepts-in-common-music-t26.html

This will show you some cool ways to play the scale and break things up and help you see the scale forms from a cool perspective (ala Jimmy Herring or Holdsworth) instead of the stagnant sound of going up and down the scale: http://mikedodge.freeforums.org/some-thoughts-on-copping-that-jimmy-herring-diminished-vibe-t6.html
Last edited by MikeDodge at Sep 2, 2010,
#14
Gotta wonder which composer thought it was a good idea to think of a scale based entirely on dimminished degrees.

Still kinda clever and ingenious in a way, I guess.