#1
Hey hey UG,

All innuendos aside,

Lately I've heard all these people with 6505+'s and 6262's on youtube with their gain set at about 1~, and it appears to have more crunch/drive than my amp does with the gain set on 6...

So my best guess is, that I've managed to blow a preamp tube/power tube? I have no experience with tubes, and my Bugera still has the stock tubes in the thing, and has not been set up since I took it home from the store.

I've got my doubts my amp was set up at the store before purchase either, due to the fact that it was a new arrival. The amp has been in my possession since December 09, so it's one of the new models with the fixed clip issue.

So tell me UG, would it be worth getting a completely new set of tubes (both preamp and power, all 10 ), although through a different brand such as JJ's?

It is just something bothering me, since I hear stories all the time from people who have just bought 6262's or a 6505 and raving on about the insane amounts of gain on the lead channel... And I feel that I've been missing out on something great here.

Thanks in advance.
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#2
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#3
Mine has crazy gain, I have mine at around 5-6 depending on which guitar I'm using, but even 5 is plently, the louder you play it the less you need gain I've noticed, So maybe if their playing it and recording it on like 5-6 maybe that's why the gain is so low?

When i had mine at around 3 i had to turn the gain down to around 3-4 otherwise it would just become a mess of notes and wouldn't have any clarity to it, I have no issue with crunch either.
#4
Tubes will help your tone, and if you put higher gain tubes in you might hear more gain at a lower setting. However I think all those people who get good tones with low gain have a high output pickups, a booster and maybe a lot of bass in their tone...
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#6
If you are getting new tubes go for a quad of TAD 6L6GC-STR and then get this.

(1) Tung-Sol 12AX7
(1) Penta 12AX7
(2) Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
(1) Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. Balanced

That's taken from Dougstubes.com but I've tried all that in my amp and it sounds fantastic. If you are looking for a bit more gain replace the Tung-Sol with a Ruby 12AX7AC5 HG+.
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Last edited by kylendm at Sep 7, 2010,
#7
Quote by kylendm
If you are getting new tubes go for a quad of TAD 6L6GC-STR and then get this.

(1) Tung-Sol 12AX7
(1) Penta 12AX7
(2) Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
(1) Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. Balanced

That's taken from Dougstubes.com but I've tried all that in my amp and it sounds fantastic. If you are looking for a bit more gain replace the Tung-Sol with a Ruby 12AX7AC5 HG+.
I'm sure those are good recommendations, but I thought I'd let you know he already Shuguangs in there.

Not sure if they're 9th gen, though.
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#8
OOPS! I just noticed he had a 6262 not a 6505+ which I thought he had!

I still say if you have 5 preamp tubes go for that. 9th Gens are pretty good (quiet) tubes.
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Last edited by kylendm at Sep 7, 2010,
#9
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Settings?


Gain: 5.5
Bass: 6
Mids: 6
Highs 6.5~
Presance:5

Maxon OD808:

Gain: 0
Tone: 4.5~
Level: 10/Max

I'm in drop b mind you, so I like a little high end to give extra "umph" to my lower notes.

I also boost with a Maxon OD808, and without the Maxon, the amps distortion is extremely weak, sounds like my crunch channel with the gain on 10... The sound I'm getting with the Maxon is great, although I feel that I should be getting more out of it.
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#10
Quote by kylendm
OOPS! I just noticed he had a 6262 not a 6505+ which I thought he had!

I still say if you have 5 preamp tubes go for that. 9th Gens are pretty good (quiet) tubes.


I have 6 preamp tubes . I've been taking a gander at the High Gain matched set from Eurotubes. With the 4 JJ's 6L6GC's with 5 ECC83S's with one balanced for the phase inverter in V6 and a standard ECC83S for V5.

I don't need to worry about the noise generated, since I've got myself an ISP Decimator to take care of all my noise issues.
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#11
Eh I still hate JJs. Tung-Sols and Rubys have always sounded clearest and best in the V1 and V2. They cleanup the gain on the amp a good bit.

V1 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V5 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
PI Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. Balanced
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Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#12
Quote by kylendm
Eh I still hate JJs. Tung-Sols and Rubys have always sounded clearest and best in the V1 and V2. They cleanup the gain on the amp a good bit.

V1 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V5 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
PI Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. Balanced


I'm a tube noob that hails from Australia, so do Tung-Sol/Ruby ship from America/Russia/Mars?

What do you mean by cleanup? I'm attempting to make the lead channel sound a little more "ballsy" or "roundhouse kick to the face"-like. Without disrupting my nice pretty sounding cleans. Although I have an inkling that I'm going to have to make sacrifices.
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#13
What I mean is that the gain channels can get clearer. Like you hear the notes more and they are more pronounced. If you want really heavy gain and still be pretty clear Ruby 12AX7AC5 HG+ is what you want. If you are just looking for all out clarity and the same amount of gain you have now. Tung-Sol 12ax7. Look around I'm sure you'll find them.
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Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
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Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
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#14
Quote by kylendm
What I mean is that the gain channels can get clearer. Like you hear the notes more and they are more pronounced. If you want really heavy gain and still be pretty clear Ruby 12AX7AC5 HG+ is what you want. If you are just looking for all out clarity and the same amount of gain you have now. Tung-Sol 12ax7. Look around I'm sure you'll find them.


I'm not sure if tubes would do this, but I just want that straight up raw sound on my lead channel. I'm quite happy with the levels of gain, although getting that "raw tone" is busting my balls.
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#15
Preamp tubes aren't that territory I'm afraid. Power tubes can help a little though. The TAD 6L6GC-STR is a power tube a lot of people put in their 6505/+s. They just seem to give an extra umph to the sound than JJs.
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#16
Quote by kylendm
Preamp tubes aren't that territory I'm afraid. Power tubes can help a little though. The TAD 6L6GC-STR is a power tube a lot of people put in their 6505/+s. They just seem to give an extra umph to the sound than JJs.


I'm currently about to buy the tubes of dougs tubes, although.... There are 3 options, what do I choose?!?! Early Distortion, Average Distortion or Late Distortion? Help

EDIT:

Also for the preamp tubes, do I want the standard, or the balanced triodes?

I play metal/metalcore/hardcore/whatever the hell i enjoy so yeah, those may help whether i need early, average or late distortion and balanced triodes or not.
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Last edited by Mopy at Sep 14, 2010,
#17
I know this is a quick bump, but I'm eager to buy the tubes tonight and I've got a nagging voice in my head to click purchase without knowing what does what...
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#18
Doug is out of the Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen's so what should I place in there instead?
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#19
Tung-sols

Just do average distortion and don't listen to balanced bull shit, that's all something tube resellers did to make a few extra dollars..
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Last edited by kylendm at Sep 14, 2010,
#20
Quote by kylendm
Tung-sols

Just do average distortion and don't listen to balanced bull shit, that's all something tube resellers did to make a few extra dollars..


Cheers dude, I think I'll get the Ruby HG for V1, just for that extra umph and clarity. I'm a fan of keeping the gain dialed in below 5 on the lead channel.

Although, would it affect my cleans at all?

EDIT: Would I also place these as V1 and V2 only? Or just V1? Or V1, 2, 4, 5, 6?
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Last edited by Mopy at Sep 15, 2010,
#21
V1 Ruby HG
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V5 Tung-Sol 12AX7
PI JAN GE 5751

V1, as far as I'm concerned, will get a more significant tone change than v2 so just popping one in there should do you fine.

Also the more I think about it, the more I think you should put a JAN 5751 in the PI. Some amps can't handle New Sensor tubes I.E Electro-Harmonics and Tung-Sol because those tubes can't handle the voltage in some amps. A JAN 5751 will actually quiet the amp down a bit as well but if you don't want to spend the money a JJ ECC83S or another Ruby will do fine. Also Shuguang 12AX7 9th gens are back in stock.

V1 Ruby HG
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V5 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V6 JAN GE 5751, JJ ECC83S, Ruby HG or Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. You pick.

That would be my final recommendation but the one above will sound just as great.
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Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
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Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#22
Quote by kylendm
V1 Ruby HG
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V5 Tung-Sol 12AX7
PI JAN GE 5751

V1, as far as I'm concerned, will get a more significant tone change than v2 so just popping one in there should do you fine.

Also the more I think about it, the more I think you should put a JAN 5751 in the PI. Some amps can't handle New Sensor tubes I.E Electro-Harmonics and Tung-Sol because those tubes can't handle the voltage in some amps. A JAN 5751 will actually quiet the amp down a bit as well but if you don't want to spend the money a JJ ECC83S or another Ruby will do fine. Also Shuguang 12AX7 9th gens are back in stock.

V1 Ruby HG
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta 12AX7
V4 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V5 Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen.
V6 JAN GE 5751, JJ ECC83S, Ruby HG or Shuguang 12AX7 9th gen. You pick.

That would be my final recommendation but the one above will sound just as great.


Purchased the tubes last night (Australian Time).

V1 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V2 Tung-Sol 12AX7
V3 Penta " "
V4 Tung-Sol " "
V5 " "
V6 " "

Just kept it simple and relatively cheap, although, if I feel that I want a little extra umph later on, buying those select tubes may be something I would do.
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