#1
Hi, I was wondering if you could put a locking nut on a Tune-O-Matic, and how much it'd generally cost to buy and install one. I'm quite fed up with my ML's current nut(I had to cut it all myself, and the intonation's off on the high E as a result), and I'd like a locking nut, but I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to get the locking nut without some sort of floating trem(I can't find them, anyways). If you can, would it cost much to get the nut widened? I'll have about $150 soon, and I'm putting some of that towards a new bridge pickup(getting it for $70), so I was wondering if that $80 could get me set up with a locking nut.
Quote by SlayingDragons
Nah, I prefer to tune lower. My tunings usually go into weird Hebrew symbols.
#2
It's not efficient. When you lock a locking nut, the pitch is usually raised a little bit so you'd be locking it out-of-tune.

It is possible, but in truth that is far more trouble than it's worth.
#4
wouldn`t do it for the reason mentioned above you would be far better off getting some sperzel locking tuners if you want to lock it at the headstock side, but if you`d bother to intonate your guitar properly then there should be no need for either.
#7
Quote by ibanezgod1973
wouldn`t do it for the reason mentioned above you would be far better off getting some sperzel locking tuners if you want to lock it at the headstock side, but if you`d bother to intonate your guitar properly then there should be no need for either.

I can't intonate it properly, that's the thing. The nut's cut too deep because the strings kept popping out. So I figured if I got something with tuning locks covering it it couldn't pop out, thus I could tune it. Thanks for the help anyways. -_-
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Nah, I prefer to tune lower. My tunings usually go into weird Hebrew symbols.
#8
Why don't you just get a new nut? They're like $5-$10...
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#9
if the string is popping out of the nut then you need to cut the nut slot deeper. but at the right guage, go speak to a tech and get a replacement nut fitted. locking nuts and locking tuners are designed for tuning stability not for string retention.
#10
Quote by Offworld92
Why don't you just get a new nut? They're like $5-$10...

I want to try a locking nut. o-o
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Nah, I prefer to tune lower. My tunings usually go into weird Hebrew symbols.
#11
Quote by ibanezgod1973
if the string is popping out of the nut then you need to cut the nut slot deeper. but at the right guage, go speak to a tech and get a replacement nut fitted. locking nuts and locking tuners are designed for tuning stability not for string retention.

I did that. It kept popping out until I got string buzz on the G, so now I've got a piece of paper holding it up from buzzing, which I'm sure's not a good thing, and the high E's intonation is unfixably off(thanks for implying I can't intonate randomly though, guys). Thanks for giving an honest effort at helping though.
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Nah, I prefer to tune lower. My tunings usually go into weird Hebrew symbols.
#12
Quote by Enix165
I want to try a locking nut. o-o


You can't. I thought that was said already. You can't use a locking nut, because you don't have a floating bridge, and therefore have no fine tuners. Without fine tuners, the locking nut becomes completely useless, because you will never be able to be perfectly in tune.
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#13
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You can't. I thought that was said already. You can't use a locking nut, because you don't have a floating bridge, and therefore have no fine tuners. Without fine tuners, the locking nut becomes completely useless, because you will never be able to be perfectly in tune.

Oh. SHIT. Thanks anyways.
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Nah, I prefer to tune lower. My tunings usually go into weird Hebrew symbols.
#14
A locking nut is totally useless if the bridge is not adjustable as stated above.With out fine tuners on the bridge there is zero chance you will get the guitar in tune.It is entirely possible the bridge is not correctly placed. If you can not get it set properly take it to a luthier and have them look at the guitar.
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#15
It doesn't work, there's physically not enough room. Not to mention, if you used a locking nut with a tune-o-matic then you would never be able to get it in tune [and you still wouldn't be able to intonate it correctly (even if you got a compensated locking nut). Fitting a locking nut is pretty much the worst idea I've ever heard of for curing nut headaches.

Just buy a new standard nut (costs next to nothing), an Earavane compensated nut if your guitar can take one (barely any more than a regular nut and makes a massive difference to the guitar's intonation) and either fit it yourself (very easy) or have a local tech fit it (should be fairly cheap).
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It doesn't work, there's physically not enough room. Not to mention, if you used a locking nut with a tune-o-matic then you would never be able to get it in tune [and you still wouldn't be able to intonate it correctly (even if you got a compensated locking nut). Fitting a locking nut is pretty much the worst idea I've ever heard of for curing nut headaches.

Just buy a new standard nut (costs next to nothing), an Earavane compensated nut if your guitar can take one (barely any more than a regular nut and makes a massive difference to the guitar's intonation) and either fit it yourself (very easy) or have a local tech fit it (should be fairly cheap).

The only way you could get it in tune would be via a fine tuning tailpiece. And that's kinda pointless...
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#17
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I did that. It kept popping out until I got string buzz on the G, so now I've got a piece of paper holding it up from buzzing, which I'm sure's not a good thing, and the high E's intonation is unfixably off(thanks for implying I can't intonate randomly though, guys). Thanks for giving an honest effort at helping though.


Pay a tech to cut the nut for you. It’s much harder to cut a good nut than it seems, especially if you haven’t invested in a small vise and nut files.
#18
Quote by jpnyc
Pay a tech to cut the nut for you. It’s much harder to cut a good nut than it seems, especially if you haven’t invested in a small vise and nut files.

This is VERY true. Bone especially. Having done it twice and both times I've done it it's come out wrong intonation wise and the first time my string spacing was horribly wrong.
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#19
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The only way you could get it in tune would be via a fine tuning tailpiece. And that's kinda pointless...


My friend's 1986 Carvin Les Paul has a kahler bridge with fine tuners. Yes, it's pointless considering the stock tuners are probably 16:1 or 18:1. Brass nut, though.

TS; you're best bet is to do with like an Earvana compensated nut or GraphTech even... Also, check your action. You can adjust intonation by adjusting your action slightly. I'm not saying you'll never have to move the saddles, though.
#20
I find it a little odd that the depth of the nut slot would prevent you from intonating. Unless you mean it's so low the string can't ring open? You might have a bridge or saddle problem.

Anyway, I'd say put a regular nut back on (or an expensive one, whatever) and get it slotted correctly. If you still have problems with the strings popping out, put on a string tree. That's what they are for.
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#21
You'd need fine tuners in the bridge.

However, replacing the nut with a quality one such as a Graph Tech, which is also pre-cut, and stretching the strings when they are new will solve most of the problems with tuning stability.
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#22
Quote by Enix165
Hi, I was wondering if you could put a locking nut on a Tune-O-Matic, and how much it'd generally cost to buy and install one. I'm quite fed up with my ML's current nut(I had to cut it all myself, and the intonation's off on the high E as a result), and I'd like a locking nut, but I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to get the locking nut without some sort of floating trem(I can't find them, anyways). If you can, would it cost much to get the nut widened? I'll have about $150 soon, and I'm putting some of that towards a new bridge pickup(getting it for $70), so I was wondering if that $80 could get me set up with a locking nut.



i can see how upset you are,
and why you feel, "if only i had a locking nut"

like said, the bad news is that it's not going to work with your guitar.

the GODD news is that you don't need a locking nut.

you just need a nut that's cut properly.

that will help the intonation,
the string jumping out of the cut,
and the tuning issues.

i suggest, since you are so frustrated at this point,
you have a tech you trust install a good quality nut and
if you want, locking tuners too.

do that and you'll love to play your guitar again.
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