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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/20/california.islamic.center.controversy/index.html?iref=allsearch


I saw this on CNN on tv yesterday. Personally I'm glad that priests, etc. came together and are actually speaking for religious tolerance
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yay, some Dutch people do realize he's not completely normal

OT: it's very sad that the extremists ruin the image for an entire group of people, but it happens everywhere. So it's a good thing people/priests try to promote a normal way of religion and promote religious tolerance.
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I started reading and I saw the word "Rancorous" and then I couldn't stop thinking of the Rancor. It's too bad this legitimately interesting article was lost on me
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For a long time religion has been above any law. However, it seems clear to me that Islam is become a pretty big problem as far as world peace goes. Despite the fact that peaceful, more liberal Muslims will say that they don't support the radicals -- and will no doubt add that all religions and movements have their radicals -- the argument remains that Islam is likely one of THE major causes of political unrest, violence and war in the 21st century. Plus, why aren't peaceful followers of Islam doing more to speak out and keep the radicals in check? It's not right to ban both because one is a rotten apple -- we would then, for example, be logically bound to ban nuclear power because of weapons of mass destruction -- but it's not right to allow both either. We need to take a long, hard look at the credit we give religions these days.
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Plus, why aren't peaceful followers of Islam doing more to speak out and keep the radicals in check?

Ratings. Would you buy a newspaper with the headline "Non Radical Muslims Do Nothing Particularly Noteworthy"?
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For a long time religion has been above any law. However, it seems clear to me that Islam is become a pretty big problem as far as world peace goes. Despite the fact that peaceful, more liberal Muslims will say that they don't support the radicals -- and will no doubt add that all religions and movements have their radicals -- the argument remains that Islam is likely one of THE major causes of political unrest, violence and war in the 21st century. Plus, why aren't peaceful followers of Islam doing more to speak out and keep the radicals in check? It's not right to ban both because one is a rotten apple -- we would then, for example, be logically bound to ban nuclear power because of weapons of mass destruction -- but it's not right to allow both either. We need to take a long, hard look at the credit we give religions these days.

I don't suppose you've heard of the crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition? They're just paying back the loan.
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I don't suppose you've heard of the crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition? They're just paying back the loan.

I think Slacker posted something in another thread on this topic that addressed that: He basically said that back in the good ol' days, Radical Christians were more like modern radical Muslims, and Muslims were more like modern day liberal Christians (although I doubt they were liberal, just more chilled). Things like the Crusades and the Inquisition came and went, and Europe became a much more liberal place over the centuries. The Middle East has yet to have such an enlightenment, and things have been worsened by Western involvement in there as well.

I think it's something we've just got to wait for to come and go
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I think Slacker posted something in another thread on this topic that addressed that: He basically said that back in the good ol' days, Radical Christians were more like modern radical Muslims, and Muslims were more like modern day liberal Christians (although I doubt they were liberal, just more chilled). Things like the Crusades and the Inquisition came and went, and Europe became a much more liberal place over the centuries. The Middle East has yet to have such an enlightenment, and things have been worsened by Western involvement in there as well.

I think it's something we've just got to wait for to come and go

Basically this, because of not becoming more secular , islam has retarded the growth of science in the middle east.
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For a long time religion has been above any law.

really? not that common law is based on religious values?

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However, it seems clear to me that Islam is become a pretty big problem as far as world peace goes.

considering the word 'islam' means peace, i very much doubt that.

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Despite the fact that peaceful, more liberal Muslims will say that they don't support the radicals -- and will no doubt add that all religions and movements have their radicals -- the argument remains that Islam is likely one of THE major causes of political unrest, violence and war in the 21st century.

you have nothing to support the fact that it's one of the major causes of any of these things. radical islam =/= islam, hence why liberal muslims distance themselves from it
and you act as if the liberal muslims don't make up 99.99...% of the religion.
and i'm pretty sure you're basing everything you say on propaganda you've been fed.

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Plus, why aren't peaceful followers of Islam doing more to speak out and keep the radicals in check?

what more are they supposed to do? if the media doesn't pick up on it, it's not their fault.


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It's not right to ban both because one is a rotten apple -- we would then, for example, be logically bound to ban nuclear power because of weapons of mass destruction -- but it's not right to allow both either. We need to take a long, hard look at the credit we give religions these days.

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#13
Cool. This building actually sounds pretty sweet. It's got a performing arts hall, a pool, culinary classes, etc.
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Basically this, because of not becoming more secular , islam has retarded the growth of science in the middle east.


Ironic you say that, since Islam is responsible for a great deal of modern science.
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Basically this, because of not becoming more secular , islam has retarded the growth of science in the middle east.

As the guy stated before me, Islam has made important contributions so not only science, but also mathematics
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As the guy stated before me, Islam has made important contributions so not only science, but also mathematics



True enough, but that was hundreds of years ago. Also, Islam didn't contribute; people who were muslims did.
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lol sort of relevant.

Last night on the news, I heard someone say, "honestly, I think Muslims are more Islamaphobic than Americans."

That is all.
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it's california. that automatically makes anything said invalid on the eyes of the rest of the country.

My least favorite phrase ever: "That's California for you"

OT, it's awesome that people are speaking up for this. I really want to visit the building once it's done.
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I thought we were talking about recent history, hundreds of years ago it was, right now my point still stands.

fair enough


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True enough, but that was hundreds of years ago. Also, Islam didn't contribute; people who were muslims did.

that's better to say
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Islamic scientists adapted paper, the compass, and medicine, built the first hospitals. Today they can't figure out how to not beat their women for not wearing veils.
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This whole thing is just dumb, i refuse to even bother with the topic now :/
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it's california. that automatically makes anything said invalid on the eyes of the rest of the country.

Exactly what I was thinking. If it was here or Texas it might have a better effect.
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Why should we tolerate other people's faiths?



So we can all be nice and hold hands and sing and braid eachother's hair.
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So we can all be nice and hold hands and sing and braid eachother's hair.

That's what these guys tried.

Look what happened to them.
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Look what happened to them.

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I saw this on CNN on tv yesterday. Personally I'm glad that priests, etc. came together and are actually speaking for religious tolerance
Why are they even speaking at all? It should be something they don't even comment on. These are supposed to be religious leaders. Yet all they do is add to the debate.

Edit: I saw it was from Cali. That proves my point even more.
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considering the word 'islam' means peace, i very much doubt that.


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considering the word 'islam' means peace, i very much doubt that.


That is a pretty weak argument.
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That's what these guys tried.

Look what happened to them.

They immune to anti-gambling laws and get to take the White Man's money at their casinos?

Actually I love their casinos. They're the only ones I've been to where I actually won money.
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Islamic scientists adapted paper, the compass, and medicine, built the first hospitals. Today they can't figure out how to not beat their women for not wearing veils.

And Christians gave us Edison, Einstein, and Constitutional Government. What's your point?
Also, I believe China did most of that stuff first.
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hmm...wasn't Einstein a Jew
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Yea, now that almost all of the individual cultures have been destroyed and few full bloods are around compared to before. And a lot of tribes are very poor. The blanket comment made me LOL but I felt so horrible about it.
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hmm...wasn't Einstein a Jew

I've read several places that he was a devout Christian or something.
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Einstein was not a Christian. He wasn't really religious but seemed to be kind of deist-ish. And he was ethnically but not religiously Jewish. IIRC, Israel asked him to be their first President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
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Einstein was an atheist of Jewish descent who used the term god to mean 'currently unknown'.


EDIT: deist, not atheist.

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