#1
I've narrowed my amp choice to the Fractal Audio Axe FX or the Line 6 Vetta II Combo. I'm playing metal and looking to play a lot of "The Faceless", "After the Burial", "Psycroptic", "Veil of Maya", and "Parkway Drive". I have a ESP LTD Deluxe EC-1000 with EMG 81/60, if it matters.

The Faceless and Veil of Maya i know use the Vetta II, After the Burial uses the Axe FX. I would like to know the differences and which one i should get. They're around the same price, give or take one or two hundred dollars.
Last edited by Flariduh at Sep 9, 2010,
#2
Unless you NEED the extra versatility, you could definitely get something cheaper that will nail the metal tones you're looking for.

Ask yourself if you really need the modeling capabilities of either the Vetta II or the Axe-FX.
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#3
Most people regard the Axe as the pinnacle of modelling tech at the moment. However, remember that it is only a preamp - if you get the AxeFX you'll need a PA type speaker and a power amp as well, and you'll want something that doesn't colour the tone so that the AxeFX can shine through.
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It seems to come down to how you’ll use them. If you need to play live the Vetta is going to be pretty easy to deal with: just set it down onstage. The Axe-FX is going to require you to mount it in a rack and add a preamp, which is a little extra hassle.
#5
An AxeFx by itself isn't of much use live unless, like someeone else pointed out, you have a power amp and cab setup good to go- If you want to be able to play live out of the box maybe a Vetta's the better choice.
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The price difference between both is pretty giant (at least used). You can get a Vetta for ~$5-700, whereas, the Axe is going to be ~$1800 for the Ultra.

For what it's worth though, I've had 2 Vettas and will not buy one again. It's a nice sounding amp, but live, they just don't cut through a mix well. After playing a Peavey Vypyr 60 combo, I had to get rid of the Vetta, because it was cheaper, and sounded better IMO.

The Axe, I've had 8 or 9 of (they weren't mine to keep ). The Axe-FX is FAR superior to the Vetta, but if it's worth the $1100-1300 more, is really up to you. Like many others have said, it's just a preamp, so for playing live, you'll either need to plug it into a PA, or get a power amp to go along with it. If you want to play silently through headphones, you'll have to plug it into some kind of audio recording interface, or an amp that has a headphone jack (there's no headphone jack on the Axe).
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#7
To be honest I'm not familiar with any of those bands.
But something that I would always tell anyone is that you won't sound like your idols just by having the same gear as them, you really wont, even if you are an excellent guitar player.

The Axe FX looks very complicated and time consuming to set up and use properly, and you can get an absolutly HUGE veriety of tones and effects from it... For me personally, I think that if I were a proffessional recording musician and I had my own studio and lots of money, I would buy an Axe FX, but I wouldn't want one in any situation, especially not on stage... On stage I like to just be able to walk over to my amp, turn a few dials to my taste, put a few pedals in and then I'm away... With the Axe FX, things wouldn't be anywhere near as simple. People have already mentioned the fact that you'll need a power amp and speaker to use it live properly, but you'll also need some sort of midi pedal board to use live, or even to change things mid song whilst at home. So you're looking at atleast $2500 for the Axe FX set-up.

I've heard people play through vettas a few times, I think they sound OK, not as good as the Axe, but they're okay. Better value for money I would say.

But then again, looking at the names of those bands, I'm going to assume that they all sound pretty similar, atleast in the same ball park. So you'd probably be better off with a tube amp that specialises in that type of metal, it'll cost you less, and you'll probably be happier with it.
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#8
I've looked on Ebay and other websites and i can only find used vetta II's for $1200+?
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I've looked on Ebay and other websites and i can only find used vetta II's for $1200+?

That's INSANELY high.

There's a bunch on Guitar Center's used site right now from $450 and up.


Also, the only difference between the Vetta I and II, besides cosmetics, is that the Vetta II supports the Variax right off the bat, the Vetta I needs an optional interface that plugs into the back of the amp. Other than that, you can upgrade the Vetta I to the II's software and you have the exact same sounds.
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#10
I agree with both of MatrixClaw's posts. The Vetta's aren't in the same league as the Axe, but that doesn't mean it's a bad amp. I used a Vetta II for a little over two years. It got the job done, but I wouldn't buy one again for two reasons. The first being that the all-in-one package is convenient, but just isn't for me. Give me a nice tube amp along with 2-3 pedals and I'll make the best out of it. I only need one solid clean and dirty tone, not an endless supply of patches, banks, models, etc. The second is Line6 abandoned Vetta users.

$1200 for a Vetta is ridiculous. I wouldn't pay more than $700 for a Vetta with the longboard, which really shouldn't be hard to find. There's a guy who has been spamming his Vetta II on my local Craigslist for $1300 thinking he's giving someone the deal of the century on, what used to be, an $1800 amp.
#11
Word on the street is, Line 6 is coming out with a new flagship amp... the Vetta IS pretty old as far as computer-based tech goes. Computers age really rapidly, it's amazing Line 6 kept it out since 2003.
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#12
They're not releasing another amp. The new Line6 HD's are floor processors just like the PodXT Live and X3 Live. I'm sure a rack unit will soon follow, as usual.
#13
i agree with just about everyone who has posted. the vetta II is one of the best modelers you can get; however, the axefx is more 'true' to the tube amps it models (I haven't played a vypyr so I can't speak to that but MatrixClaw seems to know his stuff and is one of the best contributors to this forum that i've seen).

if you can get a vetta II for $700 or less then I would go for that option. one problem I have with line 6 is that I feel they overcharge for a lot of their amps, especially the vetta II. as was previously stated the vetta II is essentially discontinued and it may be difficult to get support for the amp if you run into problems with it.

again as has been mentioned the axe-fx is probably THE best modeler on the market (which to my knowledge was engineered by former Line 6 workers that left or were let go I believe?) but for me its really for 'pro' guitar players or guitarists with DEEP pockets. for the average guitar player it's quite expensive and requires a lot of extra equipment to utilize it in various settings (e.g. a poweramp).
#14
I only see one vetta II on sale at guitar center and it's $600. All the way in pennsylvania though.

EDIT: thanks by the way guys, you've been extremely helpful. at this point i'm going for the vetta II, as long as i can get my hands on one.
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I only see one vetta II on sale at guitar center and it's $600. All the way in pennsylvania though.

EDIT: thanks by the way guys, you've been extremely helpful. at this point i'm going for the vetta II, as long as i can get my hands on one.

Guitar Center will ship.

I dunno where you're looking though... going to used.guitarcenter.com and typing in "Vetta" gives you 2 pages of results.
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#16
just out of interest? why a modeler? from the bands you've listed seem to want that standard metal/deathcore tone which could all be gotten from a 5150?
if you needed the versatility to play metal but also jazz or blues or funk or something i'd recommend the vetta but seeing as you've only mentioned one main genre one amp could perfect that sound
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#17
Wait wait!!! What amp have you got currently (sorry I haven't checked) because if it has decent cleans why not get a Pod X3 and use that with your current set up.

Does everything the Vetta does
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just out of interest? why a modeler? from the bands you've listed seem to want that standard metal/deathcore tone which could all be gotten from a 5150?
if you needed the versatility to play metal but also jazz or blues or funk or something i'd recommend the vetta but seeing as you've only mentioned one main genre one amp could perfect that sound


You're right I should have been more clear. I want that sound, but I also like to play Animals As Leaders type metal-jazz, and a good clean tone in general(which from what I've picked up the 5150 doesn't excel at.)
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Wait wait!!! What amp have you got currently (sorry I haven't checked) because if it has decent cleans why not get a Pod X3 and use that with your current set up.

Does everything the Vetta does


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keep in mind the Line6 is coming out with a new POD line soon...

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I dunno where you're looking though... going to used.guitarcenter.com and typing in "Vetta" gives you 2 pages of results.


I see what you mean, but most of it is either the cabinet, vetta 1(i'm looking for 2), or the head(I just want the combo).
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I see what you mean, but most of it is either the cabinet, vetta 1(i'm looking for 2), or the head(I just want the combo).


I had the Vetta II combo and would highly recommend the head or the Vetta 1 (combo or head) over the Vetta II combo. The build quality of the Vetta II combo was utter crap and just didn't sound as good as it should. Get the Vetta I and upgrade or go for the Vetta II head.
#23
Still, needing a good clean sound, and a good metal sound, dosn't mean that you need an Axe FX, you just need a good amp.

A 5150 isn't the only amp that's good at 'core' type metal.
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I had the Vetta II combo and would highly recommend the head or the Vetta 1 (combo or head) over the Vetta II combo. The build quality of the Vetta II combo was utter crap and just didn't sound as good as it should. Get the Vetta I and upgrade or go for the Vetta II head.



Well the reason for the combo is so that I won't need a cab, and I don't need the extra volume anyway. But I don't understand, how can the Vetta I combo be better than the Vetta II? If I got the Vetta I would I be able to upgrade it to what the Vetta II is?
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I see what you mean, but most of it is either the cabinet, vetta 1(i'm looking for 2), or the head(I just want the combo).

And like I said before, unless you're planning on using the Variax with it, the Vetta I is EXACTLY the same as the Vetta II, besides the cosmetics.
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And like I said before, unless you're planning on using the Variax with it, the Vetta I is EXACTLY the same as the Vetta II, besides the cosmetics.


Well, Matrix. Would you agree that the Vetta II Combo is the worst sounding out of them all, including heads and the Vetta I Combo?
#28
I wouldn't go as far as to say the Vetta II combo sounds terrible. It's more about the build quality of the combo, which does have an effect on tone. Then again, your average musician/listener wouldn't notice a thing tonally.
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Well, Matrix. Would you agree that the Vetta II Combo is the worst sounding out of them all, including heads and the Vetta I Combo?

No, definitely not.

I didn't really notice any flaws with mine as far as build quality goes. Though, I only paid like $250 for mine anyway, so it's not like I was expecting anything amazing.

The Vetta I's look cheaper though, but there was nothing wrong with the head I had Even if the build quality is bad, it can't be THAT bad, this is Line 6's top of the line amp we're talking about here, if they were falling apart constantly, then they would have their priorities in the wrong place.
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