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#1
This may have been answered here somewhere but the search bar didn't help me much at all:

Does anyone have any tips on how to remove the clicking sound of the pick on guitar recordings? I record through a POD XT Live into a seperate EQ and sustainer/compressor then into either my amp or direct and I also use Cubase 5.
#2
You can try to EQ it differently to lessen the sound. Your only other option is to turn the gain down. You usually won't notice the sound in a mix, but if you have a good ear you can hear it on alot of famous artists recordings.
#3
Whenever I record some stuff I usually put the mic towards the amp. Then I try to move my guitar far away so the mic doesn't pick up the slapping of the strings.
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Quote by malmsteensolo
Whenever I record some stuff I usually put the mic towards the amp. Then I try to move my guitar far away so the mic doesn't pick up the slapping of the strings.

I do this ^ as well, but u can try turning ur amp up a little more so that it drowns out the pick sound
#5
Lol, guys. I don't think he's talking about the sound of him picking or strumming in the back.
He mentioned recording direct and direct recording won't pick up sounds in the room.

I think he's referring to the clicky sound per picked note. If your tone has much gain to it then there will be a slight click every time you pick.
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Quote by TechnicolorType
You can try to EQ it differently to lessen the sound. Your only other option is to turn the gain down. You usually won't notice the sound in a mix, but if you have a good ear you can hear it on alot of famous artists recordings.


You wouldn't want to do that because it will most likely take out the high-end of his guitar as well and then it'll sound muddy.

I've noticed that using a different pick helps, especially if it has a different surface. The thin plastic picks are always noisy.
#8
You can try playing with rubber picks, they were made to kill the pick noise.
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#9
what's wrong with a little pick noise? it's not necessarily a bad thing. try listening to the whole mix with it and see if you still think it sounds bad. for acoustic guitars it's often the only thing you hear during a loud part of a song.
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#10
I have the same problem when I record. Of course this happens only on the high strings. When I export the tracks though, there is no click. Fine by me, don't need to go any deeper.

And yes, I can here the pick clicks in lots of metal albums. Finger noise too.
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Problem solved.
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You wouldn't want to do that because it will most likely take out the high-end of his guitar as well and then it'll sound muddy.

I've noticed that using a different pick helps, especially if it has a different surface. The thin plastic picks are always noisy.


Uh, no. I'm not talking a 3 band EQ or something.

If you use a like 50 band EQ you can lessen the sound pretty easily without effecting the tone.
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Lol, no. ANY EQ effects the tone. it's better to find a creative solution. That sort of thing usually gets masked in the mix anyway, and even if it doesn't it won't be an issue at all unless it's really prominent and annoying.
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I could easily go and cut a frequency down in a massive band EQ on a simple guitar track and you wouldn't be able to notice.
Test it out sometime. Lmao.
There isn't going to be any other ways to lessen that sound post-recording.
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#16
Semi-relevant to this & really cool anyway - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKd3gEQfZWI

If you can filter the exact frequencies the pick clicking is most prominent at, it shouldn't affect your tone in a big way.
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Problem solved.



Instead of just linking a picture of that pick, could you actually link it?
#18
Noise gate. That's probably the most effective way. It also will help with unwanted buzzing and general noise. Just set the threshold at a point where you can still hear the notes, but not anything else.
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#19
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Instead of just linking a picture of that pick, could you actually link it?


http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=3

It's the Dunlop Jazz III (3) - it's a really nice size and shape, and it's thick enough that if you're holding the pick properly it glides off the string nicely, giving a really clean and crisp note with no clicking sound (unless you're using silly amounts of gain and/or high frequencies).
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http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=3

It's the Dunlop Jazz III (3) - it's a really nice size and shape, and it's thick enough that if you're holding the pick properly it glides off the string nicely, giving a really clean and crisp note with no clicking sound (unless you're using silly amounts of gain and/or high frequencies).


I wouldn't say the jazz III has a crisp sound at all. more of a soft round attack.

Still a great pick tho. I tend to alternate between these and the 1.00 mm jim dunlop nylon picks.
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#21
I'd say that the jazz I and II have more of a soft & rounded attack, but I always find the jazz III has a much crisper sound than most standard sized picks.
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#22
1 - Try a different pick
2 - High band count EQs can notch out a small area to get some noise out but it may effect the tone slightly if you go too far.
3 - If this is an electric, play further away from any mics you are using...if acoustic, try a new mic position.
#23
the 2nd poster was talking about a notch filter. And that should do the trick. But u have to find the picks frequency and hope that it's not a crucial part of ur guitars sound. And it may effect the guitars sound slightly but at least it won't be a dramatic change.

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You can try playing with rubber picks, they were made to kill the pick noise.

what's wrong with a little pick noise? it's not necessarily a bad thing. try listening to the whole mix with it and see if you still think it sounds bad. for acoustic guitars it's often the only thing you hear during a loud part of a song.
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Quote by TechnicolorType
I could easily go and cut a frequency down in a massive band EQ on a simple guitar track and you wouldn't be able to notice.
Test it out sometime. Lmao.
There isn't going to be any other ways to lessen that sound post-recording.

You're right that it can be done barely noticeably, but your last statement is wrong.

A simple de-esser could solve this problem, and depending on the material you could also use an enveloper or transient shaping plug-in to lower the immediate attack (i.e the pickstroke) in the waveforms.
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Problem solved.


Great picks, only picks I've used for the past three years hands down. But.

For those of us guitarists like me who are infected with the ineedfacemeltinggain parasite, we can't turn down the gain and even with jazz III's, we still get that quarter-second of distorted plastic-on-metal scratch right before every note we hit. My best advice, thread starter, roll down your volume knob on your guitar a little bit. That will do WONDERS as far as cleaning your sound up. Most pro-recorded/produced music out there with hi-gain guitars, if you pay real close attention, you can still hear the string-scratch, it's just covered up by them rolling their volume down a little bit (eliminates some of the fuzz and excess hum while keeping it high-gain at the cost of a little less sustain) as well as being covered up by drums, bass, vocals, whatever. Other stuff kinda drowns it out. In most high-gain metal bands the guitars are scooped, meaning the bass and treble are cranked with virtually zero mids, making them kind of hard to distinguish. That's to cover up the pick-scratch.

Bottom line: Turn your volume knob down a little, between 6 and 8.5, and throw in some drums. Use lots of symbols.

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what's wrong with a little pick noise? it's not necessarily a bad thing. try listening to the whole mix with it and see if you still think it sounds bad. for acoustic guitars it's often the only thing you hear during a loud part of a song.


well it's annoying when it's too loud. Hearing CLOC CLOC CLOC sound every time you pick the string.

It's called pick attack. I usually experience it with a booster.
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Quote by Ishiga
Great picks, only picks I've used for the past three years hands down. But.

For those of us guitarists like me who are infected with the ineedfacemeltinggain parasite, we can't turn down the gain and even with jazz III's, we still get that quarter-second of distorted plastic-on-metal scratch right before every note we hit. My best advice, thread starter, roll down your volume knob on your guitar a little bit. That will do WONDERS as far as cleaning your sound up. Most pro-recorded/produced music out there with hi-gain guitars, if you pay real close attention, you can still hear the string-scratch, it's just covered up by them rolling their volume down a little bit (eliminates some of the fuzz and excess hum while keeping it high-gain at the cost of a little less sustain) as well as being covered up by drums, bass, vocals, whatever. Other stuff kinda drowns it out. In most high-gain metal bands the guitars are scooped, meaning the bass and treble are cranked with virtually zero mids, making them kind of hard to distinguish. That's to cover up the pick-scratch.

Bottom line: Turn your volume knob down a little, between 6 and 8.5, and throw in some drums. Use lots of symbols.

I.

Mean.

LOTS.

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I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, I don't mean it maliciously, but most of what you said there is completely untrue... if someone told you all that, they were misleading you!

Firstly, heavily scooped mids exist almost solely in the bedrooms of guitarists yet to 'find their ears' and on stage with bands who also are unable to judge how they sound. As a sound engineer, I'll tell you now that scooped mids will not be heard live, and will make the guitars sound like an angry wasp on cd. If anything, guitars in metal have more midrange than a lot of music, as the very low end is filtered out to make room for the bass and the kick drum, the lower midrange becomes the harmonic definition of the bass notes, and the high end is for cymbals and 'air'.

Secondly, rolling back the volume on your guitar will just reduce your gain again, albeit earlier in the signal chain - you just increase the capacitance (and yes, lose a lot of sustain), which is surely not what you want unless you want a jazzy clean tone!

Also, most metal (even extreme death metal) that is well-recorded uses a lot less gain than you'd think - the ability of the players usually masks this, as they play technical parts with the gain rarely past 75-80% at the preamp stage in extreme stages. Pushing the power amp tubes increases the distortion too, while affecting the gain and tone more favourably, and don't forget that a well set-up guitar with high-outpu pickups will allow the player to pull off fancier riffs and licks with less gain.
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I figured out that cutting out some higher frequency really helped. I'm not using much gain. Live I use about 80%-85% gain, but during the recording I kind of hover around 65-75% since I double track and pan hard left/right (really seems to magnify that distortion when done this way).

So I applied some tweaks to the EQ and got some good sounds out. Thanks for the tips in this thread though because I didn't know about the Jazz III picks and OMG THEY'RE AWESOME. Seriously, these picks are great and really do help with pick attack.
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I figured out that cutting out some higher frequency really helped. I'm not using much gain. Live I use about 80%-85% gain, but during the recording I kind of hover around 65-75% since I double track and pan hard left/right (really seems to magnify that distortion when done this way).

So I applied some tweaks to the EQ and got some good sounds out. Thanks for the tips in this thread though because I didn't know about the Jazz III picks and OMG THEY'RE AWESOME. Seriously, these picks are great and really do help with pick attack.


a) Set up a "booth" for your guitar to avoid sounds from outside (ie Picking sound), you can achieve that by just creating something like a "tent" surrounding the amp (you can use a blanket), this will absorb some of the reflections and it will cutoff the incoming and unwanted sounds outside of it.

b) You can use a cardioid dynamic microphone, set it up on-axis and move the amp away from the direction of the microphone (Dynamic mics are never omni-directional,so they'll only pick up what's in front of them)

c) Use both of the above.

TIP : Don't cutoff high frequencies from the guitars, they'll blend with the rest of the mix creating a phase.. instead use an LFO
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a) Set up a "booth" for your guitar to avoid sounds from outside (ie Picking sound), you can achieve that by just creating something like a "tent" surrounding the amp (you can use a blanket), this will absorb some of the reflections and it will cutoff the incoming and unwanted sounds outside of it.

b) You can use a cardioid dynamic microphone, set it up on-axis and move the amp away from the direction of the microphone (Dynamic mics are never omni-directional,so they'll only pick up what's in front of them)

c) Use both of the above.


he is recording direct, there are no mics involved, he talks abou an other thing.

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TIP : Don't cutoff high frequencies from the guitars, they'll blend with the rest of the mix creating a phase.. instead use an LFO


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a what? an oscillator? why?


My bad...Acronym mistake
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#34
I have tried all of these things. Different pics using the pic differently, turning the volume down etc. Without the amp on it sounds fine. Turn on the amp with distortion and the loud annoying clicking sound is always there. My current theory is that a lot of it has to do with the guitar pick ups. As I listen to professionals on youtube and they don't have that annoying click and they all seem to have these really expensive flat looking pickups on their guitar. I'm not sure though. Maybe the amp is a factor and the type of gain it uses.

I can tell you the type of pick you use has little effect on anything, nor does the volume knob.
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Quote by 1rainman
I have tried all of these things. Different pics using the pic differently, turning the volume down etc. Without the amp on it sounds fine. Turn on the amp with distortion and the loud annoying clicking sound is always there. My current theory is that a lot of it has to do with the guitar pick ups. As I listen to professionals on youtube and they don't have that annoying click and they all seem to have these really expensive flat looking pickups on their guitar. I'm not sure though. Maybe the amp is a factor and the type of gain it uses.

I can tell you the type of pick you use has little effect on anything, nor does the volume knob.
Super old thread. Bumping to this degree is generally more opposed to just creating a new thread. Here are my thoughts though: Embrace the pick attack. It will help your guitar stick out in the mix each note, rather than your signal just being a flat wave per note. Put the guitar in a mix and I doubt it will be an issue.
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Noise gate. That's probably the most effective way. It also will help with unwanted buzzing and general noise. Just set the threshold at a point where you can still hear the notes, but not anything else.
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#36
This just came up on a google search on the subject. What is weird is on all the replies I have found online about this people just write "even the pros have it" "embrace it" "get a new pic" which is all BS. I don't hear it on professional recordings or even when top guitar players play on youtube (no post production effects masking it). And it sounds like s*&^. It is a flat tone going over all the notes, which is loud enough to be annoying.

I have found that playing with the volume knob yields some results (the knob on the guitar). Obviously if you turn the distortion off it usually helps but that defeats the purpose. Seems with the volume down low it helps on high pitched lead playing but the click is louder on the lower pitched top strings. Then the opposite for top strings, volume all the way up sounds better. Maybe its different on different guitars. I'm pretty sure the pick ups are a major factor as well, and probably even the amp/distortion being used (or sound effect unit). But I just have one practice amp right now and no choice.

The pic seems to make little difference which is usually the suggestion. I wasted money buying those rubber pics and they sounded worse.

But even playing with the volume knob it is still at the threshold of being somewhat annoying, but at least helps a little.
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Quote by 1rainman
This just came up on a google search on the subject. What is weird is on all the replies I have found online about this people just write "even the pros have it" "embrace it" "get a new pic" which is all BS. I don't hear it on professional recordings or even when top guitar players play on youtube (no post production effects masking it). And it sounds like s*&^. It is a flat tone going over all the notes, which is loud enough to be annoying.
Are you listening to those guitars in a mix or separate? Are you listening to your guitars in a mix or separate?

If it really is bothering you that much, a bit of compression with a very quick attack will help reduce the pick transients a little bit, but that is just reducing the volume, not taking the click "out". And I imagine that will be very difficult to dial-in unless the tone is heavily compressed to begin with. A cut around ~3khz can help reduce those clicky frequencies as well.

Also if your amp/tone shaping devices are not relatively good to begin with then obviously professional recordings will sound better than yours. I imagine a lot of the "pros" you listen to are using tube amps with tube rectifiers which, upon the large pick transient, will cause the power supply to "sag" a little bit therefore reducing the pick transient's volume- that is just a guess though. I apologize if I am not helping, it is just one of those "non-problems", IMO, that is only a problem if you want it to be and if you focus on it.

If you are able to, send a recording of your "worst" and we'll see if we can help any way at all, if your pick attack is abnormal.
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#38
I did record crappy music many years ago and that was one problem I had. I recently got a guitar and playing again and its still an issue but I'm not able to record for some reason (I just have a cheap laptop and it isn't working, will have to get it going at some point though). I would like to practice, get better, and do some high quality recordings at some point and this is one issue that has always bothered me.

Pretty much everyone plays through a marshall double stack. I used to play on that back in the day (it was my dads). Yeah I think the issue is a little better on more expensive amps and distortion equipment but still there. I mean as long as you can keep it to a minimal its not really a problem but its one of those things you don't notice at first then gets really annoying after a while.

When you listen to a professional band play on the radio usually they play really simple stuff but they sound great because of all these little details that mostly relate to the sound production. That would be one of the issues they definitely don't have loud clicking noises on solos. I think its more about attacking it from several different angles rather than one solution.

I think I should go to the music store and just play around with different guitars and amps and see what the difference is and if my theory is right about getting some expensive type of pick ups to improve on it.

these humbuckers with the dots seem to be what I usually have a in a guitar:

https://www.amazon.com/Seymour-Duncan-1110213-B-Humbucker-Pickup/dp/B0002D05T6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1478890228&sr=8-5&keywords=humbucker+pickups

Professional guitar players that don't seem to have a pick problem seem to be using expensive pick ups that have a flat look like this:

https://www.amazon.com/EMG-Wylde-Humbucking-Active-Pickup/dp/B0007TYQ7W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478890273&sr=8-1&keywords=zakk+wylde+pickups

https://www.amazon.com/EMG-James-Hetfield-Humbucker-Set/dp/B00GXNMJDO/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478890343&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=james+hetfield+guitar+pick+ups

Maybe its nothing but I remember playing around on a $2,000 dime bag darryl guitar in the music store one time and it didn't have the annoying pic tones if I recall right. I think having expensive amps, pick ups, and other units makes a big difference. I am playing on a epiphone special 2 right now. It's virtually identical to a more expensive les paul except the les paul has upgraded pick ups and a slightly better looking body. So I'll probably just switch out the pick ups eventually anyway even though the ones in it have a pretty good sound (dual humbuckers).

For recording purposes probably a sound effects unit would be better too (I think the click would be less of an issue on some of their distortion effects).

Currently I have this yamaha amp. I was going to get the Roland Cube (which I used to have and loved) but this newer amp was recomended to me and it has a pretty good sound. But I had other amps and other guitars and it was also an issue but they were all around the same price range and using dual humbucker pick ups. If I remember correctly the sound effects units or pedals sometimes had less click (sometimes not). The only problem with this amp is you can't turn the distortion, delay etc. off which really sucks. So even if you ran a pedal into it you would be getting their distortion etc. added to it. You can turn stuff down or switch the delay to a reverb etc. but you can't turn it off and get no effects. It's a really good practice amp other than that issue (and also sound lousy using batteries).

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-THR10-Amplifier-Production-Software/dp/B006QLW5XC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478890608&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha+amp
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Pickups do definitely make a difference to the overall tone, but I think pursuing a guitar just for the pickups will not really lead you to the results you want in the long run. The pickups you listed that you say often do not have the "pick problem" are relatively high output pickups, especially the Wylde ones which are active- they have a 9v battery boosting the signal. They will easily overdrive the input of the amp, causing compression- which could "reduce" the pick attack especially when the amp is already saturated with distortion, which is a form of compression.

However, the problem with really high output pickups (in particular, active pickups) in my view is they are high output all the time. They will constantly overdrive the input of the amp no matter how the amp is set, and cleaning up with the volume knob reacts differently than doing so with a passive pickup. Lastly, the compression that those pickups would cause would NOT drastically effect the pick attack so much so to solve your problems completely. Depending upon the rig, it could make it worse.

As you said, you cannot do professional recordings at the moment. Which is okay, but until you can I would suggest to not fret about the pick attack so much at this stage. There is a lot of studio wizardry that happens with electric guitars that you cannot do. Especially with heavily distorted guitars, they are isolated heavily to the midrange and the pick attack frequencies are much more hidden.
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Even if I want to play by myself or play in front of people I don't want the pick noise. But they have passive versions of those pick ups that are the same but without the battery. That would be what I get.

Mainly this is just a problem when playing with high distortion. I mean, it's basically a problem for people playing metal or music with similar high levels of distortion. The distortion is magnifying the pick noise in certain cases. Like with no amp on it sounds fine. If I had an amp without the high distortion and effects it would sound fine. Now I understand that for solo stuff I should put the volume down and for rythem keep it up. So the next phase would be to figure out pick ups, distortion pedals, amps etc. that will also reduce pick attack.

One thing I have noticed as well is I usually use a dime or penny for a pick. The metal has a better sounding pick sound. Hard to explain, it just sounds better.

But I knew a guy who used to find cheap guitars that had a really nice feel to the neck when you are playing it. Then he would put expensive pick ups in it and voila have a really high end guitar. He would sell them and make money. The main difference between an expensive guitar and cheap one is quality control and the pick ups. With cheap guitars they are mass produced and there is less consistency. They use cheaper wood and such too. But you might find a cheap one that just has a really nice neck feel when playing it because it just got spit out of the factory that way. When you put expensive pick ups on it you have a great guitar.

With the expensive guitars they actually check them and throw out anything that is crap. Or the shittier ones they will turn it into a cheaper model (in terms if the neck isn't perfect or if the wood is off or something). You can build yourself a $1500 guitar for half the price. Like the epiphones that are just poor mans les pauls. Find one that you like the way it plays and upgrade the pick ups and you got a do it yourself les paul. There really isn't much difference in the body itself just materials a little cheaper and less quality control.

But as I said I can listen to zakk wylde playing on youtube giving a guitar lesson and I don't hear the pick attack or anything. He actually records just putting a mic onto a marshall amp. There's not any special effects or anything. And the studio effects are minimal. Black Label Society didn't even use a really high caliber producer until after the mafia album came out. At the point the label had them use top guys. And even with that old stuff they did the sound was really good. But then again, he is a real guitarists. There are lots of bands on the radio that basically suck and they sound good due to all the studio wizardry that goes on. Well they don't suck, but they aren't really that amazing in terms of skill.

I think the set up is more important than skill. You can play really simple chords and such and sound great if the set up is good. By contrast I meet people that are good players but have cheapo guitars, cheapo amps etc. and they don't sound great because of it. But really weird I didn't find more on the internet about solving the pick problem.
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