#1
Help. I have grown to hate mp3s after listening to them through my studio headphones. I tried a "lossless" audio ripping format but still noticed a bit of compression. Not as bad as mp3s, but played next to the cd there was a noticeable difference.

Any good programs? I don't care about size of the file, just 100% pure quality
#2
Set whatever you use to copy CDs to rip them as wav files, that's lossless.
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Set whatever you use to copy CDs to rip them as wav files, that's lossless.

Are you sure? I thought the only lossless files were caleed FLAC or .ogg or somethin'.

The file sizes will be ****ING HUGE though.
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Are you sure? I thought the only lossless files were caleed FLAC or .ogg or somethin'.


Wav is uncompressed PCM, it's just an exact copy of the data that's on the CD.

You want lossless, you pay the price in file size, personally I'm fine with loosing a tiny bit of quality to be able to fit that much more on my HDD.
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#5
In my video class I learned that the best format to rip CD's is AIFF. You can do that right in iTunes.
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In my video class I learned that the best format to rip CD's is AIFF. You can do that right in iTunes.


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#7
If you use i-tunes, there's the Apple Lossless format, I use that one and to me it sounds like the C.D.
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Yeah, iTunes lossless is actually pretty good. I've got some of my favorite albums in AIFF.
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Quote by GogglesVK
Are you sure? I thought the only lossless files were caleed FLAC or .ogg or somethin'.

The file sizes will be ****ING HUGE though.

WAV files are the raw waveforms. FLAC files are also lossless, but they're compressed as well.

A 16-bit WAV with a 41kHz sample rate is going to sound identical to the original CD.
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Help. I have grown to hate mp3s after listening to them through my studio headphones. I tried a "lossless" audio ripping format but still noticed a bit of compression. Not as bad as mp3s, but played next to the cd there was a noticeable difference.

Any good programs? I don't care about size of the file, just 100% pure quality


I'm curious, would you mind specifying what sound equipment/headphones you have?
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Yeah, iTunes lossless is actually pretty good. I've got some of my favorite albums in AIFF.

i use it too
#12
WAVs, FLACs and AIFFs are all lossless formats. Thusly, they have large file sizes.

OGGs are like MP3s, but better quality for the same file size. Maybe because it's an open-source format. The only downside is that many players can't play OGG files.

MP3s are heavily compressed files. A 320 kbps MP3 file is compressed by 78%.
#13
I'm sorry. but everyone in this thread is bullshitting.

Do you know that during the mastering process, the music is compressed/limited?

Even a 320kbps MP3 doesn't show any signs of compression. You must actually be looking at the waveform or something, because no one is able to tell the difference between a standard high-quality MP3 and a lossless copy.

Wasting your time.
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I'm sorry. but everyone in this thread is bullshitting.

Do you know that during the mastering process, the music is compressed/limited?

Even a 320kbps MP3 doesn't show any signs of compression. You must actually be looking at the waveform or something, because no one is able to tell the difference between a standard high-quality MP3 and a lossless copy.

Wasting your time.

Audio compression: reducing the dynamic range of the music.

Data compression: reducing the file size. Lossless: can retrieve exact original data. Lossy (e.g. mp3) lose some amount of the data in the compression process.

We're talking about the latter here, so the mastering compression limiting is nothing to do with it.
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I'm sorry. but everyone in this thread is bullshitting.

Do you know that during the mastering process, the music is compressed/limited?

Even a 320kbps MP3 doesn't show any signs of compression. You must actually be looking at the waveform or something, because no one is able to tell the difference between a standard high-quality MP3 and a lossless copy.

Wasting your time.


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I'm sorry. but everyone in this thread is bullshitting.

Do you know that during the mastering process, the music is compressed/limited?

Even a 320kbps MP3 doesn't show any signs of compression. You must actually be looking at the waveform or something, because no one is able to tell the difference between a standard high-quality MP3 and a lossless copy.

Wasting your time.



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It's quite a feat to hear the difference between lossless and CD quality. Even a lot of audiophiles can't do that. Anyway, since FLAC doesn't quite cut it for you, you're best off going for an exact rip, WAV.

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It's quite a feat to hear the difference between lossless and CD quality.


I'm a little reluctant to believe it myself

And that's putting it lightly.
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It's quite a feat to hear the difference between lossless and CD quality.

Especially seeing as there is no difference. Hence the term 'lossless'...
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I did

Sure, it compresses the file, but in such a way that when you decompress it you get the exact original back again. It's the same as putting something in a zip file, it compresses the data, but you always get the exact original back.

EDIT: I hope I'm not coming across as an ass, I don't mean to.
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Fair enough. I come across as an ass all the time, but I usually make an effort to
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I had a fantastic tutorial to do exactly what you're after. Sadly what.cd is down at the moment. Whenever they get their shit sorted I'll hit you up on UG or whatever and post you the link/details.
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Quote by Bearded_Seth
I'm sorry. but everyone in this thread is bullshitting.

Do you know that during the mastering process, the music is compressed/limited?

Even a 320kbps MP3 doesn't show any signs of compression. You must actually be looking at the waveform or something, because no one is able to tell the difference between a standard high-quality MP3 and a lossless copy.

Wasting your time.


Yep, I've just done a comparison between MP2, WMA lossless, and WAV and could barely hear any difference, listening to them with decent Sennheiser headphones as well of course
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