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adityasen
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Right on, which one to get? I've played all three, and I can't decide between them. So I'd like to get some opinions...

(I live down in Australia, and all three heads cost around the same, hence why the comparision)

-> Orange Dual Terror:

Pros: Sounds Awesome + Foot Switch
Cons: No Fx Loop + Clean channel is still slightly middy

-> Marshall MA50H

Pros: Fairly good Marshall tone, maybe not as good as the JCM's + Fx Loop + Foot Switch
Cons: Haven't really found a good crunch tone, sounds a bit artificial. 50W might be too loud for home?

-> Egnater Tweaker

Pros: Brilliant sound, have yet to find a bad tone out of this + Fx Loop
Cons: No Footswitch, needs a bit of "tweaking" (heh) to get the right tone


I play a 60's Strat, and own a 1x12 Orange Cab with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers.

Edit: I mostly play Pink Floyd / Beatles / RHCP..
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the Marshall MA series is their entry level valve amps, cleans are superb, however I do find the overdrive lacks balls and the solo stage is too mid rangey.

Think MG's with valves.

i went through 2 of the 100w combos, got a refund in the end. but like you said the overdrive was a bit lacking and kinda buzzy. the clean was the best part on it, quite bassy and mid rangey, hard to get a trebly clean twang though.
adityasen
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Hmm, yea the overdrive on the Marshall sorta put it on the bottom of the list.

I'm aiming more towards the tweaker, but there's no footswitch. Looking at the Orange, there's a footswitch, but then it lacks an fx loop.

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i run my tweaker through an orange 112 with good results.

sure no footswitch so it you want to go dirt to clean on the floor, you need a good dirt pedal.

i prefer the amp with EL34s, and new preamp tubes.
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The Orange blows them all out of the water. What other gear are you using? Unless you're a heavy delay user, you really don't need an effects loop.
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Apart from the Strat i also have an Epiphone LP.

In terms of pedals, I have a Boss Blues Driver 2, Boss Compression Sustainer 3, a dunlop wah, and have a delay pedal coming on the way (DD-3).

My current amp is just a 15w Vox Pathfinder, so I've never really used pedals in effects loop.
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You'll be running all of those pedals in front of whichever amp you get, with exception of the delay. Delay can go before the amp or in the effects loop, it depends what you're using it for. Any idea if you'll be using the delay for cleans, leads, or both? I wouldn't let an effects loop be your deciding factor in choosing an amp.
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I would use the delay mostly on cleans. Think U2 or David Gilmour.

Amps come down to the tone, and I can't really fault the Orange or the Egnater. If I had the money, I'd buy both, but alas, only one it has to be....
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I'd go for the Orange, since I wasn't thrilled with the Tweaker and didn't find it to live up to the hype at all. It's all up to you though. Don't let my opinion or anyone else sway you, use your ears to decide what's going to make you happy. Let us know what you go with.
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Quote by Guitarmiester
The Orange blows them all out of the water. What other gear are you using? Unless you're a heavy delay user, you really don't need an effects loop.

it's in a different league from the tweaker imo.
superior if anyone isn't clear what i mean.

but it's a matter of taste and i was offering my input on the tweaker, not saying he should get it.

an eq with the orange may remove the "middy" cleans, unless the TS meant "muddy", still and eq would help.
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I agree Greg. I've not played the Dual Terror but I have played the Tiny Terror. With EL34s the Tweaker really shines imo. I would hard pressed to believe that the Dual Terror 'blows it out of the water'


greg - where is that clip?
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I've never heard a Tweaker in person.

But in my opinion the Dual Terror is an awful sounding amp, far too bassy, the TT channel is useless, very messy sounding over all. And it looks stupid too.

The MA series is just a joke.

So if the Orange really does 'blow the others out of the water' then the Tweaker must suck huge testicles.
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this sounds pretty good to me...

this is greg on my cab with his Tweaker. i don't think he new I was recording. hell, I don't think i knew i was recording.


https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Tweaker%20clip%20from%20Gregs1020%20on%20my%20cab.mp3?w=d5eb14b2
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I've only played the Tweaker stock. I'm sure a tube change would help, but I had no intentions of buying one to find out. Looking at it from a stock standpoint, I had a hard time dialing in a usable, articulate tone. Even with the bass at minimum and gain at 9-10 o'clock, it sounded muddy and undefined no matter what setting I had it in. Maybe an OD could have done the trick. I just didn't find the Tweaker to be anything special. Ok cleans and a muddy lead channel.

Orange wouldn't be my first choice, as they're one trick ponies. Sticking with the low wattage side of amps, I'd take a Blackstar over anything.
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I advise against the tweaker. the od is utterly unusable. The orange sounds best from what I've heard.
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Hmm. a lot of mixed opinions on the tweaker vs dual terror.

I tried out the tweaker as there seemed to be a lot of raving on the internetz about the amp, but I can surely say that I wasn't blown by it. It was a good amp no doubt, and had some great tones, but maybe I was let down by having high expectations from the start.

The dirty channel on the dual terror has some stupid amount of gain that i'd probably never use in a lifetime. But rolling it back a bit got some really nice tones.

Again, as I mentioned before, my choice of amps are purely limited by budget, and sadly the prices here in Australia don't always match up to the American scale. That being said, feel free to suggest other amps that I might have overlooked, and I'll see if I can give them a test run...
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Quote by gregs1020
i run my tweaker through an orange 112 with good results.

sure no footswitch so it you want to go dirt to clean on the floor, you need a good dirt pedal.

i prefer the amp with EL34s, and new preamp tubes.


i just got an orange 2x12" and the tweaker loves it, so the cabinet would be great for really any amp.

i own both the dual terror and the tweaker. i like the dual terror a lot better. having two channels for me is more importaiant than an effects loop. i even get by using my 616 out fornt keeping the TT channel at a lower gain setting. it isn't ideal, but i can get by.

the tweaker is far more versatile, but i don't really love the AC settings on there, and havn't found a use. and the USA setting isn't the best if you are looking for a heavier OD. but the marshally setting on high gain and low gain is awesome.

i also may look into the EL34 swap.

personally i use my orange a lot more.
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I've never heard anything good about the MA series from anyone, but they certainly DON'T sound like the Marshall MG.

The Tweaker and DT are aimed at two different markets (at least they are in the US, I'm not sure about down under - the prices may be switched around on them) Over here the Tweaker is about $400 whereas the Dual Terror is closer to $1000.

You could probably mod the Dual Terror to have an effects loop down the line, but I'd take it to a reliable tech to get that done.
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#22
I think the MA sucks, and I don't really like the dual terror.

The TWEAKER however....awesome amp.
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whereas the Dual Terror is closer to $1000.


The DT is a thousand dollars over there ?!?! :O

I wouldn't pay more than £200 for one, I think they sound shite.
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Dual Terror is in the neighborhood of $850 new/$650 used here, and worth every last penny. I don't understand all the hate to be honest.
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There's no way that that amp is worth that amont of money, you could do so much better.
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Quote by FuzzLove
There's no way that that amp is worth that amont of money, you could do so much better.

I actually agree. I gigged with a DT for a few months and eventually sold it and went for the Rocker 30. Used Rockers go for $850 (price of a new DT in the US) all day on eBay, and it's just TONS more amp than the DT.
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The Rocker 30 is a much better amp than the DT, but that's still a lot of money for a used one. I suppose you guys really do get ripped off for Orange over there, just like we get ripped off for Mesa.
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Quote by FuzzLove
The Rocker 30 is a much better amp than the DT, but that's still a lot of money for a used one. I suppose you guys really do get ripped off for Orange over there, just like we get ripped off for Mesa.


Pretty much. Buying my DT new was a mistake (I enjoyed the amp while I had it, but they instantly lose $200 resale value as you walk out the door) but I feel like paying $800 for my Rocker 30 was a steal.
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As long as you're happy with it.
I spent £1300 on an amp and I'm not completly happy with it haha.
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It always makes me sad when comparing Aussie Prices with American ones.

The DT here is AU $850 AUD, while the Tweaker is AU $799. So far I've got about 50% posts saying the DT is awesome and the tweaker is shite, while the remaining say the tweaker is awesome and the DT is shite.

Maybe I should put in a poll.

(Both sound good to me in my ears, hence why this discussion)
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Quote by adityasen
It always makes me sad when comparing Aussie Prices with American ones.

The DT here is AU $850 AUD, while the Tweaker is AU $799. So far I've got about 50% posts saying the DT is awesome and the tweaker is shite, while the remaining say the tweaker is awesome and the DT is shite.

Maybe I should put in a poll.

(Both sound good to me in my ears, hence why this discussion)


For that price the Tweaker shouldn't even be a consideration. The Tweaker only should be purchased if you need something to amplify the sound from your guitar and you are extremely gullable. I have played it cranked, with different guitars, etc., and it is absolutely not worth your time. I feel ripped off for almost spending $400 USD. No offense to Mr. Egnater, I know he will get it right next time
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The Terror is good. The Tweaker is good. They sound different. Some people like one. Some people like the other.

Thats it.

Don't listen to these arguing douchers. They're incredibly biased, and biased people's opinions do not count in my book.

Listen to both/play both and decide for yourself.
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TS, as a fellow Perthian i feel your pain. However, if you want a good marshall, theres a JCM900 SL-X at concept music for $995, its second hand but its in good knick. I was going to buy it but I don't have the money

in your price range, try the Vox Night Train, or the Laney VC15 (they're around 800)
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i wish the dual terror wasnt literally 2.5 times what i paid for my tweaker. i guess we get screwed slightly less?

anyway my point was i dont view them in the same league. the tweaker is $70 less than a vk112. $350 i think i paid, the dt is more than twice that.

im sure if you put good glass in it, it would kill. plus a couple greenies?

craig, colin, shot, john? can you mod my tweaker so the hot/clean toggle is a 1/4 in footswitch jack?

its just odd to think they cost the same amount, to me.
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The Tweaker only should be purchased if you need something to amplify the sound from your guitar


Err don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly sure that all amps are bought by guitarists because they want to amplify the sound from the guitar. In fact, go ahead and quote me.

@Dan_5893 thanks for that. The JCM at $995 is not that far away from my price range - I might check it out. Only thing that's really keeping me away from 50W amps is that I don't want to crank it to full volume to get a decent tone (my housemates would throw me out!). Hence why I thought that 15W would cut it, and would be loud enough for the occasional gig.

I think I need to go play them again.... for a third time.
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The JCM has a master volume so you can cut it down a bit, plus it sounds better than the others at lower volumes (I went and tried it, it's really nice, but might need new tubes at some point in the next 6 months)
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Don't rule out the SL-X. I recently picked one up and was very impressed by it, especially since I haven't been a big fan of most of the JCM800 and 900's I've played. You can get very usable tones out of the SL-X at low volume levels. As the case for any tube amp, it'll obviously open up once you start to crank the master.

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Don't listen to these arguing douchers. They're incredibly biased, and biased people's opinions do not count in my book.




...says the guy with a Tweaker.

Everyone is biased whether they'll admit it or not. As long as people can form their own opinion, there will be two sides to every argument.
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If anyone is interested, one of the guitarists in this band was using his DT live.

I would go for the DT.
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