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Hi.First of all my gear : Ibanez arc500 , tech21 boost rvb , maxon od808 , ibanez weeping demon , digitech jamman and my amp is Vox ac4tv.
I mostly play blues , rock stuff . My problem , (IMO) my gear has lack of distortion.When i wanna do some gary moore stuff i need sustain but i cant get what i ve want with these gear. Wht pedal do you suggest to solve this problem.I thought ehx metal muff seems ok it has lots of distortion.My budget is not unlimited so im lookin for middle price range products.
Thanks.
#2
does the maxon not do it?

but if you're wanting mega-mega sustain you might be better with a higher gain amp (+ boost, if necessary). EDIT: bear in mind, gary moore's vibrato is great, and that helps with getting sustain too.
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#4
maybe a sustaniac pickup? there pretty great, alot of guys use the fernandes one
#5
Better technique/Compression (either by more distortion which changes your tone or an actual compressor)
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I'd go with a compressor.
Also as a note: Ibanez guitars are not known for their sustain.
In time if you have the budget go for a les paul or something with a maghony body,
you will notice that the type of wood has a great influence on sustain.
>the Wylde overdrive from MXR boosts the sustain a little
#8
IMO u would get a lot more use outta an eq than a compressor.....
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distortion: wampler triple wreck. might be out of your budget, so go with the Hardwire tl2 distortion.
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IMO u would get a lot more use outta an eq than a compressor.....


The compressor will do a lot more for sustain though. I hate compressors though
#11
I agree with the compressor suggestions. Try a Philosopher's Tone... you can hardly even tell it's there, and it gives you heaps of sustain and hardly any noise.
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The compressor will do a lot more for sustain though. I hate compressors though

I agree a compressor will....but then u lose picking dynamics. So keeping a compressor on all the time is not a good option......more boost either a clean boost pedal or EQ would be a better choice to leave on all the time for added sustain.
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do you run the pedals in the order you listed them? if so, do some experimenting.

otherwise, compressors are great when used right, that is sparringly. eq's will help you eith cut through the mix or make your tone wider, but will not neccessarily translate into more sustain. gain is not an issue. if your 808 isn't getting you enough gain, nothing will (while still making listenable tones anyhow).

+1 to the solid mahogany body guitar suggestion... expensive, but right.
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i thought it was the maple in the LP which gave it the sustain... EDIT: not that mahogany doesn't have good sustain too, but you know what I mean. I think the LP was originally meant to be all-maple for the sustain until they realised it'd be way too heavy...
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i thought it was the maple in the LP which gave it the sustain... EDIT: not that mahogany doesn't have good sustain too, but you know what I mean. I think the LP was originally meant to be all-maple for the sustain until they realised it'd be way too heavy...


maple is a very bright tone wood.
the maple tops add brightness to solid mahogany guitars that would be otherwise super dark. chambered bodies get a little warmer.
#17
i've heard that if you bend a string and make it touch another string, it will sustain longer but i havent tried it though. also a good vibrato will definatly help
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#18
Are people seriously recommending metal pedals for Gary Moore type stuff? WTF is wrong with this forum?

TS, Gary Moore's sustain comes from a cranked amp and manipulating feedback. A compressor would somewhat simulate that at lower volumes but unless it's an extremely high quality unit it will do more harm than good with distortion. The 808 should add a nice bit of compression already. Also make sure your guitar is set up well as that will greatly help sustain.
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do you run the pedals in the order you listed them? if so, do some experimenting.

otherwise, compressors are great when used right, that is sparringly. eq's will help you eith cut through the mix or make your tone wider, but will not neccessarily translate into more sustain. gain is not an issue. if your 808 isn't getting you enough gain, nothing will (while still making listenable tones anyhow).

+1 to the solid mahogany body guitar suggestion... expensive, but right.

Using an eq thru the front of an amp to Boost or cut freq's......the boost part will add sustain.
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Quote by GrisKy
maple is a very bright tone wood.
the maple tops add brightness to solid mahogany guitars that would be otherwise super dark. chambered bodies get a little warmer.


oh yeah, i realise that maple is brighter than mahogany, and it helps balance things out, but like it's not *that* bright.

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Are people seriously recommending metal pedals for Gary Moore type stuff? WTF is wrong with this forum?

TS, Gary Moore's sustain comes from a cranked amp and manipulating feedback. A compressor would somewhat simulate that at lower volumes but unless it's an extremely high quality unit it will do more harm than good with distortion. The 808 should add a nice bit of compression already. Also make sure your guitar is set up well as that will greatly help sustain.


+1

+ technique/good vibrato.

I mean, he already has a tubescreamer. if that's not adding sustain i'm not sure how a clean boost will.
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oh yeah, i realise that maple is brighter than mahogany, and it helps balance things out, but like it's not *that* bright.


+1

+ technique/good vibrato.

I mean, he already has a tubescreamer. if that's not adding sustain i'm not sure how a clean boost will.

So if TS were to throw a ehx lpb-1 in front of his amp.......u don't think it would add sustain??
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well, technically yes, it probably would. I think what dave's getting at is that it should already have plenty of sustain (kinda what I'm thinking too) and that the real problem is elsewhere.
#23
If you were to obtain a new hi-gain amplifier, I'd recommend a Mesa Boogie .50Caliber+. You can see them for around $500 on Ebay. Check my profile to see my sustain vibrato with only a guitar straight up to the amplifier. No pedals or sustainer pickup kits.
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So if TS were to throw a ehx lpb-1 in front of his amp.......u don't think it would add sustain??


i'm saying that if he already has a tubescreamer and if that's not adding enough sustain (which'll add more than a clean boost will, i'd wager), then the lpb-1 won't either, yeah.

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well, technically yes, it probably would. I think what dave's getting at is that it should already have plenty of sustain (kinda what I'm thinking too) and that the real problem is elsewhere.


exactly. he already has a boost pedal. if that's not doing it, either he's doing something wrong, or his technique is suspect. Buying another boost pedal which probably doesn't even have as much sustain isn't really going to cure things.
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I suggested an eq.......since he already has a tube screamer. I was using a lpb-1 as an example. I agree with a 808 he should already have enuff boost. I think maybe a little eq'ing is what he needs.
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#26
no idea, i don't really use eqs...

Not sure why a frequency-specific boost would improve sustain, though, if a tubescreamer won't...
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I suggested an eq.......since he already has a tube screamer. I was using a lpb-1 as an example. I agree with a 808 he should already have enuff boost. I think maybe a little eq'ing is what he needs.


There's probably a lot of truth to this, but I have a hunch we're in a thread made by a kid who scoops out all his mids and pushes his gain in hopes for teh brootz.

TS, play with your amp's controls first. remember, mids are your friends, they're where guitar lives and dies.
#28
can you scoop the mids on a vox ac4tv?
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no worries
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#31
Guy's I agree with an 808 he should be good.....but a compressor is not the answer. An amp without tone control will greatly benefit from a EQ pedal....
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#32
thanks for your answers.I guess i couldnt explain myself enough first place.i know if i crank the amp i ll get more sustain and about maxon 808 it wont give u much more sustain if your amp isnt crankd its really tranprnt pedal gives u that sweet flavour.My thing is i had modded ds1 which i broke it. i was getting really great sustain with it so thts why i asked this question, to buy somethng instead of ds1.
Again thanks for your help...
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thanks for your answers.I guess i couldnt explain myself enough first place.i know if i crank the amp i ll get more sustain and about maxon 808 it wont give u much more sustain if your amp isnt crankd its really tranprnt pedal gives u that sweet flavour.My thing is i had modded ds1 which i broke it. i was getting really great sustain with it so thts why i asked this question, to buy somethng instead of ds1.
Again thanks for your help...

Level at 10 gain at 0 and ur not getting any boost??
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#34
Gary Moore's really long sustain comes primarily from playing in front of a loud amp and working the feedback caused by the sound waves vibrating the strings. Why do people always go for a gadget to replicate something accomplished by a simple technique?
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