#1
The headstock on my guitar broke. And I'm fairly certain it's unfixable. And if it were, it'd be crazy expensive. So I'm calling my guitar totalled. For the record, it was an Epi LP Standard. I wouldn't be making this thread if it were a bolt on.

Anyway, I just don't know where to go from here. I could dish out some money and buy something better or just settle for the same thing. I was thinking about getting either a Samick AV7, an Epi LP Custom since the GC in my area has one for about $500 (but I've heard they're sonically equal to Standards so I'm not sure), or just going balls out and getting a Gibby LP Studio. What does UG think?

Wrst_EDIT_Evr: The damage:

Profile.

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From the back.

The front.

Headstock Remnants.

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#2
I would buy the Gibson but be sure to play a bunch of them first to find a good one. There are some BAD Gibson Studios out there.
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#4
What styles of music do you play? What's your overall budget? Can you go used?

I'd look for a used Carvin Singlecut. They're very good quality guitars. Why are you so dead-set on a LP-style guitar, anyways?
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#6
pics?

It usually is repairable. Titebond is amazing stuff.
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#7
my headstock broke on my gibson SG. i had it repaired for $100.
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What styles of music do you play? What's your overall budget? Can you go used?


I play in a ska-punk band. And I don't have a set budget as of now. I'm just going to save up and use my back-up until I can get something good. And yes, I'm willing to go used. There's a few Studios in my area for about $650-$750, but they're not in white like I want it. But at that point I'm just being waaaaaay too nit-picky.

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Why are you so dead-set on a LP-style guitar, anyways?


Because I like them. Duh.

And I'll get some pics up in a minute. I just need to go take them.
#9
The same thing happened to my best friend. I lent him my LP for a couple months while he saved up some money, and he went for a Fender Strat HSS. Maybe that doesn't suit your style, but my point is, if you have the money, definitely upgrade, but get something reliable that you really like, and take care of it like it's your baby.
#11
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pics?

It usually is repairable. Titebond is amazing stuff.


+1,000. i have seen ton of snapped headstocks repaired flawlessly. its not that big of a deal. it is far from ideal, but repairable.
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#13
That's completely repairable.
Take it to a good luthier.
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#14
i don't mean to be a jerk, but somehow i automatically thought it was a gibson. the repair may not be worth it on an Epi. you just gotta make the choice and go through with it. if it were me, i wouldn't pay for a repair on it, but only you know what your budget is.

on the otherhand, since it is an Epi, you could try to do it yourself... google something like "broken gibson headstock repair" follow the directions best you can and it coudln't hurt anything. worst case you glue it on and it is crooked and its in no worse shape than it is now, and part it out on ebay.
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#15
Quote by Wrst_Plyr_Evr
The headstock on my guitar broke. And I'm fairly certain it's unfixable. And if it were, it'd be crazy expensive. So I'm calling my guitar totalled. For the record, it was an Epi LP Standard. I wouldn't be making this thread if it were a bolt on.
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Good news: this kind of repair is a piece of piss provided you've got a bit of patience.


QUICK'n'DIRTY DIY HEADSTOCK REPAIR

You will need
-Sandpaper (20p a sheet)
-Mini clamps (I bought a pack of 3 for £1)
-Wood glue (PVA based) (£2)
-Tissue Paper (free)

Total cost: £3.20
Time taken: About 15 mins
(+several days drying time obviously)


First get rid of any rough splinters and little bits of exposed wood, using very fine sandpaper to smooth things out if needs be. The aim is to make sure the two pieces of wood fit together as closely and smoothly as possible.

Then simply apply a healthy amount of wood glue to the joint, clamp it up tight with three or four small clamps (and mop up the excess glue that squeezes out) and leave for a few days.
After about a day you can reduce the pressure on the clamps, and then let it sit another two days at least, just to be on the safe side. If you're gigging a lot with the guitar and don't trust your handiwork your DIY repair, you could always screw a metal plate either side of the join. Really no need though - wood glue is often stronger than the wood itself....


I snapped the headstock off my acoustic about two years ago and it looked very similar to yours. Glued it back on like I've described above and it's held fine ever since. I've even dropped it a few times without damage

Here's what my dodgy handiwork looks like, it ain't pretty but it works:



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#16
Get a Gibson BFG if you need a Gibson. So much better than a Studio IMO.

Otherwise, ESP/LTD, Tokai, Edwards, etc. are a giant bang for your buck.
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#17
Exactly what Kyle62 said, that is a really easy fix. All you need is some PVA and a couple clamps. Don't let that get in the way of a new guitar though
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#18
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Get a Gibson BFG if you need a Gibson. So much better than a Studio IMO.

Otherwise, ESP/LTD, Tokai, Edwards, etc. are a giant bang for your buck.


Great post, nice to see some BFG love. I'm really tempted by one! Gibson's pricing and general business decisions have gone off the rails, I'd be much more proud to own a good japanese axe!


People still gladly pay more for Gibson because of the 'badge on the headstock' factor, but thinking about it, I've had tons of positive comments when gigging with a Tokai - other guitarists see it as a sign of someone who knows what they're doing and doesn't necessarily follow the crowd.
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#19
I would at least attempt to fix it. No harm in trying, and if you really take your time you may be surprised at the results.

If its a clean break wouldn't he get more wood to wood contact with not sanding at all, or at least very little?
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I'm in a similar predicament where could you get a load of mini clamps?
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#21
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I'm in a similar predicament where could you get a load of mini clamps?

I got a set from my newsagent who sells cheap screwdrivers and stuff, but you could get em from a local hardware shop or one of the big DIY places: http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/3pieceCClampSet245158?category=clamps
#22
Well, I guess the ts' question has been answered, so...
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Great post, nice to see some BFG love. I'm really tempted by one! Gibson's pricing and general business decisions have gone off the rails, I'd be much more proud to own a good japanese axe!


People still gladly pay more for Gibson because of the 'badge on the headstock' factor, but thinking about it, I've had tons of positive comments when gigging with a Tokai - other guitarists see it as a sign of someone who knows what they're doing and doesn't necessarily follow the crowd.

I liked the BFG I tried a lot. Humbucker and P90 in one guitar is absolute win.

That said, I really liked the last batch of Gibbo Standards and Traditionals I tried. Two years back I played a dozen Gibson LPs and outside of the custom shop models, I wasn't impressed. The Traditionals especially were a let down... but when I tried a few again last June, all of them played and sounded great. Maybe Gibson's been improving or maybe my sample size is just too small, but I was very impressed that day.

That aside, MIJ guitars ftw.
#23
cool think im just gunna traul my town centre for anywhere that might sell them
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#24
This is clearly a very clean break.


Repair is EASY if you don't care about the cosmetics.


Use Titebond Original wood glue.. ORIGINAL only.


Use clamps too. Do what some here has said.


And get this. Once it's glued/repaired.. your headstock is actually going to be STRONGER than before.


People DELIBERATELY break their headstocks to increase their strength after gluing back. Usually that's the case for LP headstocks. Don't do it for other types because they do not have flawed design like the gibson LP style headstocks.


The PVA glue used is stronger than the wood itself.


That's why if you dropped it again on the headstock, it WON'T break unlike the first time.


The guitar will play just as good after repairs and setup.
#25
that looks like an easy fix for me, really.
you need some wood glue and a few clamps.
maybe some fine sandpaper and paint if you want to make it as clean as possible.

but yeah, others have said it before on this thread.
#27
Man, broken headstocks are an extremely easy fix (at least for someone with the necessary woodworking skills). It shouldn't cost you much more than 100 bucks if you take it into a tech. If you've got the equipment, it won't cost more than a couple bucks. Seeing as it's an Epi, I wouldn't bother, personally.
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#29
you know what? this happens ALOT with gibson/epiphone stuff. there is quite a bit of discontent over this issue with gibson headstocks, i have heard one person goes as far to say that they should break them before they leave the factory because the repaired neck is more strong than the stock one.

so if this has been an issue for a while, haven't they come up with a good fix? they have. Kyle62 layed it out for you perfectly.

i have personally been witness to 3 headstock breaks on gibsons. one of them was a friend's little brother who got his ass whipped by his dad. looking back on it now i'd like to kick that guys ass for not knowing his product better and squandering money on a name brand like he did.
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#30
^ Yup, not sure if you saw it a few months ago when I posted it. But I bought a Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Elegant for a guy in Russia, he had it for about a week and went to adjust the truss rod after putting new strings on it, the headstock snapped clean off.

So depressing, that was a beautiful guitar. I can't believe this even happens on their Custom Shop guitars... that thing cost $5000 new
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#31
very common SG or LP issue. it's the angle. happened to my yamaha a bunch of years back.

a lot of the vintage LP's did this. duanne allman's '59 has a repaired neck.

if fixed correctly, it's more stable afterwards.
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#32
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^ Yup, not sure if you saw it a few months ago when I posted it. But I bought a Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Elegant for a guy in Russia, he had it for about a week and went to adjust the truss rod after putting new strings on it, the headstock snapped clean off.

So depressing, that was a beautiful guitar. I can't believe this even happens on their Custom Shop guitars... that thing cost $5000 new


omfg. that is heartbreaking, but that is right around the line i hear. there is some dude who makes custom guitars in vegas that has a ton of testimonials that sound very similar.

from what i understand, my heritage won't have the same problem... at least i hope it doesn't.
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#33
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from what i understand, my heritage won't have the same problem... at least i hope it doesn't.

just don't let it fall forward out of the stand on it's face. you should be fine.
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#34
How did that even happen?
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#36
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That's completely repairable.
Take it to a good luthier.



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#37
That's easily fixable. Your truss rod didn't even get touched. The epoxy that's used for those sort of repairs is typically stronger than the wood itself.
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#39
Totally know the feeling bro, I had my headstock break too. Mine didn't break completely off though. Its a simple fix for any luthier. After getting quotes from a handful of shops I took mine to GC because they were the cheapest. They really did a nice job on mine, it looks fantastic and has held up great.

EDIT: Crappy cell phone picture but thats the result of the repair. Its perfectly smooth, they really did a great job.

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