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US Midterm Elections are coming up very soon, November 2nd. Please use this thread to discuss races and issues concerning everything "Mid Term Elections". This thread is TEMPORARY, as it will be closed Sunday, November 7th. This will give ample time for any post election discussions/opinions/analysis. After that, please take any further discussion back to the designated political thread.

Will the Republicans take control of the House/Senate? Will the Democrats hold? What effect will the Tea Party have? What does it all mean?

Lot's of things at stake and in the air with this upcoming Election.

Please, let's keep things as civil as possible. There is a lot of heat in the US political world right now, but let's keep this as respectable and intellectual as possible. Let's not let this turn into a complete flame war.


[Please Read: Yes, you may be thinking "This belongs in the political thread". However, after some discussion and weighing of opinions in that thread, it only seems fitting for this to have it's own temporary thread as (A) there was a special thread for the British Elections not too long ago and (B) this will keep the political thread less jumbled, as it encompases many issues, not just US related topics.]
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It appears the Democrats are poised to lose both houses of congress.
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Will the Republicans take control of the House/Senate? Will the Democrats hold? What effect will the Tea Party have? What does it all mean?

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Midterm elections?
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Midterm elections?

Congressional elections for the House of Representatives and the Senate. Called mid-term due to their falling in the middle of the presidents elected term of office.
Typically the party in the White House loses the mid terms.
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the Democrats will be holding their newly severed balls.

nah, I dunno. but I am confused amused about this. not that it has any bearing the topic at hand...or does it...
#7
Saw something last night that said it was like a 60% chance that the Repubs take Congress.
I think the Dems have a chance to hold one, maybe both, of the Houses depending on what gets done in the next month or so. I think Obama put forth some good policies last week in his speech, and this Small Business bill should pass the House today. They've also put the Repubs in a trap with the tax cuts for the Middle Class. I think this thing will tighten up a bit. Also, with the Tea Party candidates using so much of thier money in the primaries, and many of them with no experience, I feel like the Dems have to feel good about their chances in those races.


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To get this thread started on some actual debate on the issues, I've got a question for those who lean more to the right. (Jackal, Really like to hear what you've got to say, as you might be the most respected member with right-leaning views)

To me, the GOP candidates, including the far right Tea Partiers, seem to be offering no solutions or platforms to run on. Rather, it seems they are basically running on the basic Fox News Propaganda of (A) Obama is a socialist, (B) The Ground Zero Mosque issue, (C) Immigration (which makes sense in states with that being a pressing issue, but I don't think Ohio or West Virginia have immigration issues like Arizona). Take these, along with other (IMO) discriminatory Christian issues such as the typical gay marriage stance, and you've basically got their platform. Nothing but propaganda.

Take these examples into consideration. Concerning the Sharron Angle vs. Current Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid race in Nevada, Angle says it would not be her job to care about jobs in America. Really? How does that make any sense? A person who is running to be a representative in Congress does not even see it as her job to make sure the country stops hemmorhaging jobs? In New York, the GOP candidate running is basing his WHOLE campaign on the Islamic Center issue. Also, take the Kentucky race in which Rand Paul has said he would like to do away with the Pell Grants that help students go to college. On top of this, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnel say's he and all Sen. Repubs. will vote against a bill that provides a tax CUT for everyone except the top 2% of earners in the country. The TOP 2%. How can this party clain they want to help the middle class and the economy when they can't even help out the MAJORITY of citizens?

In summary, I really can't see anything coming from the GOP/Tea Party that would actually help this country. I would really like to hear what some of the more right leaning UGer's see in the platforms of the Republican candidates, or if they are just voting on traditional party lines/Fox news Propaganda, or what?
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It appears the Democrats are poised to lose both houses of congress.
Seems that way. Hopefully the more liberal ones stay.

edit: sjones do you watch The Young Turks? You say a lot of the stuff Cenk does
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Seems that way. Hopefully the more liberal ones stay.

edit: sjones do you watch The Young Turks? You say a lot of the stuff Cenk does

I've seen clips and stuff on youtube, but I'm by no means a follower of TYT.

TBH about my following of news media, as far as TV goes, I try to watch a fair amount of all of the three big news media outlets (being MSNBC, FOX, and CNN). I probably watch more MSNBC than I do the rest of them, but I admit that I like Olberman, the Ed Show, and Hardball. I do find myself flipping to Fox every once in a while, but I normally just start disagreeing and seeing through BS in about 3 minutes or less. MSNBC does lean left. I don't think that's really a debate. However, I find that they actually base their views on facts, where as I see Fox having a far right aganda and 24 hour narrative based on propaganda and falsifications. In fact, there is video of Rupert Murdoch on youtube admitting to pushing an agenda and bias in Fox news. On top of that, if you really need proof that Fox is full of crap, turn no further than the Daily Show. On almost a nightly basis they hammer Fox on the fact that they are a "truly cynical, disingenuous news organization."
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sjones, I'm not sure if Jackal will be able to answer that question. He's considered the smart right winger because he doesn't support such imbeciles

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Saw something last night that said it was like a 60% chance that the Repubs take Congress.
I think the Dems have a chance to hold one, maybe both, of the Houses depending on what gets done in the next month or so. I think Obama put forth some good policies last week in his speech, and this Small Business bill should pass the House today. They've also put the Repubs in a trap with the tax cuts for the Middle Class. I think this thing will tighten up a bit. Also, with the Tea Party candidates using so much of thier money in the primaries, and many of them with no experience, I feel like the Dems have to feel good about their chances in those races.


EDIT:
To get this thread started on some actual debate on the issues, I've got a question for those who lean more to the right. (Jackal, Really like to hear what you've got to say, as you might be the most respected member with right-leaning views)

Are Republicans really that terrified of Tea Party candidates?

I reworded your question.
Ya pretty much. It's starting to depress me horridly. Moderate Republicans are being attacked. The Republican committee is beginning to distance themselves from them in fear of Tea Partiers. I'm beginning to believe we are seeing the end of the Republican party. Ya a lot of you just went yippee but what you are going to be left with is a Christo Fascist monster that is going to come into power by default. That idea terrifies me to no end.
What I would love to see is an infusion of moderate Republicans into the Libertarian party. Enough to offset some of their batshit insane economic beliefs anyways. If just one moderate Republican keeps his seat and has the balls to switch party affiliation to Libertarian just to say fuck you to the RNC it would totally fuck over both Democrats and Republicans in whatever house he was seated in due to their parliamentary rules. One can hope.
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^ So the Republicans would split between a Christo-fascist party and a Corporate fascist party. While hilarious and raising a ruckus for a while, I don't see it ending in good things.
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All I know is we need fiscal responsibility. That's why I voted for the "tea partiers" in my state's primary today. (Wisconsin primary.) The ads and literature I've read from the tea partiers running for senate and governor respectively have been placing a heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility. I doubt they'll completely clean up the shitpile that is the national debt or the lesser shitpile that is the Wisconsin state debt, but I do think they're sure as hell try.
Hell, as far the national debt goes, if we could even get a damn budget planned every year or two years, we'd be doing a hell of a lot better than we have been.
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^ So the Republicans would split between a Christo-fascist party and a Corporate fascist party. While hilarious and raising a ruckus for a while, I don't see it ending in good things.

Nah. We'll keep all the fascist together. Keeps things simple.
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I think it'll be close, i'm hoping for a democratic victory personally. But i can see the Republicans causing themselves problems in the house, especially between more moderate members and tea partiers.
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It appears the Democrats are poised to lose both houses of congress.

What happens to Obama if his government loses the confidence of the house? I'm really not sure what happens in America if that happens, sorry to sound like an idiot.
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What happens to Obama if his government loses the confidence of the house? I'm really not sure what happens in America if that happens, sorry to sound like an idiot.

Nothing. We don't have a parliamentary style government. He just won't be able to get anything done.
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What happens to Obama if his government loses the confidence of the house? I'm really not sure what happens in America if that happens, sorry to sound like an idiot.

For all intents and purposes, Obama's administration has lost the confidence of the average house member. No democrat wants Obama to come and jockey for them. It turns voters off when Obama does, so no democrat incumbent wants that. They're sending former prezzy Bill "Horny" Clinton around to do that now.

But anyway, most members of the House probably wouldn't support Obama outright. They may do it in secret, some of them, but none openly.
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What happens to Obama if his government loses the confidence of the house? I'm really not sure what happens in America if that happens, sorry to sound like an idiot.

It could hurt his self esteem, I suppose.
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The Tea Party is, in my opinion, doing the Republican party no favors, and certainly doing the rest of the country no favors. Their only achievement thus far has been alienating the more moderate members of the Republican party and driving the party as a whole further to the right (an impressive feat in itself; I didn't know they were capable of drifting farther to the right than they already were). Even with that division between moderate and immoderate conservatives, however, I would predict that the Dems are royally fucked this November.

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All I know is we need fiscal responsibility. That's why I voted for the "tea partiers" in my state's primary today. (Wisconsin primary.) The ads and literature I've read from the tea partiers running for senate and governor respectively have been placing a heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility. I doubt they'll completely clean up the shitpile that is the national debt or the lesser shitpile that is the Wisconsin state debt, but I do think they're sure as hell try.
Hell, as far the national debt goes, if we could even get a damn budget planned every year or two years, we'd be doing a hell of a lot better than we have been.


Fiscal responsibility is a hot-word I've been seeing coming from Tea-Partiers, and I've yet to fully understand what they mean by it. Hell, I don't think most of their voter base knows what they mean by it. Care to shed any light on it?
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Fiscal responsibility is a hot-word I've been seeing coming from Tea-Partiers, and I've yet to fully understand what they mean by it. Hell, I don't think most of their voter base knows what they mean by it. Care to shed any light on it?

Do you understand what all fiscally irresponsible policies share? Whatever that is, reverse it, and that's what fiscal responsibility is.
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Fiscal responsibility is a hot-word I've been seeing coming from Tea-Partiers, and I've yet to fully understand what they mean by it. Hell, I don't think most of their voter base knows what they mean by it. Care to shed any light on it?

Well depending upon which teapartier you speak to it either means Obama is a communist or a fascist.. Some think he's both.
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Nothing. We don't have a parliamentary style government. He just won't be able to get anything done.

Sorry, I worded it badly. That's what I thought, I just wanted to make sure.

...and I thought a Conservative minority government was hell. Sorry dudes.
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Man i wish Clinton could run again, at least he had style and charisma.
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Clinton wasn't much better than Reagan

Dennis Kucinich needs to run. His views are awesome. Short of abolishing capitalism I support everything he supports. Of course it'll never happen but one can dream.
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I really see what some of you have already posted, and that's the Republican party is in the process of getting massive amounts of butthurt from the Tea Party. First, I think it's starting to cause a big divide between the current Moderate Republicans and the Far Right. Take the primary in Delaware tonight for example. I lean right, but I fully support Mike Castle. He's a very respectable, moderate Republican who has served his state and/or his country in public office for years, and has a great set of views. However, you've got Christine O'Donnell, whose ran three unfruitful campaigns before, but is backed by the Tea Party and Palin. O'Donnell has no current employment, and has been living off of campaign donations from what I've read quite some time. If she wins this primary, there's a damn good chance she's going to lose the General election. She's a much easier opponent that a well respected, and competent Castle.
Basically, the more the Tea Party wins in the primaries (with the exception of the pure Red states) the better the chance the Dems have of holding control of at least one house of Congress.
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This election is the first one I can vote in, but I doubt I will. I don't know enough about what's going on.
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Well depending upon which teapartier you speak to it either means Obama is a communist or a fascist.. Some think he's both.

I heard he's a foreign muslim too

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Nah. We'll keep all the fascist together. Keeps things simple.

That didn't work for the Bush family

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All I know is we need fiscal responsibility. That's why I voted for the "tea partiers" in my state's primary today. (Wisconsin primary.) The ads and literature I've read from the tea partiers running for senate and governor respectively have been placing a heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility. I doubt they'll completely clean up the shitpile that is the national debt or the lesser shitpile that is the Wisconsin state debt, but I do think they're sure as hell try.
Hell, as far the national debt goes, if we could even get a damn budget planned every year or two years, we'd be doing a hell of a lot better than we have been.

Tea Partiers wouldn't know fiscal responsibility if it was blown up their ass with a rocket.

And you do have an annual budget. As well as frequent updates. It's been that way since 1791.
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And you do have an annual budget. As well as frequent updates. It's been that way since 1791.


Not necessarily with states, I have no idea if California has had an actual budget for the last few years, they always talk on the news about how its 'stalled'
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by the way, has anyone considered the fact that the tea party and republican parties will split votes between conservatives thus resulting in a ralph nader effect (i.e. 2000 election with bush and gore)?
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i personally think the corporate party will win this round.

Sigh, you might be right.

I still think the Dem's will hold one house. Or maybe it's wishfull thinking.
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I'm registered independent, and am pretty moderate, maybe a bit left leaning. I could have seen myself voting for the Republican that running in my district, until he decided to adopt some Tea Party principles.

He actually has been in the House before, but quit politics while he had cancer. It's sad, since the Democrat I'll end up voting for is by far the most successful procurer of earmarks in the last couple of years. Other than his conspicuous waste of federal money, he's alright, but that alone makes me wary of voting for him.

The trend towards the far right in the Republican Party is upsetting, since corporatism, racism, and blind nationalism are going to bend us over in the long run. Too much regulation is bad, but none at all is even worse.

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any american care to take a minute to explain to a fellow canadian what can possibly be done by a midterm election, because doesnt obama get his 4 years gauranteed?


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It appears the Democrats are poised to lose both houses of congress.


Most likely. Although many of them are scurrying to sever ties with Obama, who unsurprisingly has a very low approval rating right now.
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any american care to take a minute to explain to a fellow canadian what can possibly be done by a midterm election, because doesnt obama get his 4 years gauranteed?


We aren't a parliamentary system. Congress and the Executive branch are totally separate.

Congress is the Senate (6 year terms, with 1/3 of the members up for election every two years), and the House (2 year terms, with elections every 2 years).

The President is elected in a totally different manner than Congress. Their interaction is limited to the actual governing process; the three elections I just described have no effect on each other.

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We aren't a parliamentary system. Congress and the Executive branch are totally separate.

Congress is the Senate (6 year terms, with 1/3 of the members up for election every two years), and the House (2 year terms, with elections every 2 years).

The President is elected in a totally different manner than Congress. Their interaction is limited to the actual governing process; the three elections I just described have no effect on each other.


oh okay, that makes sense,

what powers do the congress and the house possess?
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