#1
Since i've realised my dream of becoming a famous musician probably isnt going to come true, I come to The Pit with a question. I spent one year in college for business marketing but dropped it because it really wasnt for me and I had no interest in the course. Next September im going back to college and i've been thinking about what I want to do, and I figure my passion is music so why not pursue a career in it. Its really the only thing that interests me. But since I dont want to take a useless 4 year Bachelor Music degree and end up jobless, I ask what is their out there ? I've been looking at audio engineering and music production. But anything else the pit could recommend would be greatly appreciated.

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TL/DR What jobs/courses should I pursue in the music industry and end up with a good job at the end ?
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Management, communications (advertising, public relations, journalism)...
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#3
Something that will inevitably not be anything to do with you being a musician.
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Guitar tech (go on tour with a band, load in/load out, maintain guitars/amps/pedals/misc gear)
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Your thinking is wrong. In the reality of music industry, your certificate doesn't matter. Unlike many other careers where your degree gives you entitlement, music doesn't. It relies on experience. So it doesn't matter if you're getting a degree in performance, composition, audio engineering and design, etc, you have to be proactive in gaining practical experience from these opportunities, not to pursue a piece of paper that says you're qualified, because no one will care. But if you gain enough experience and notability, you can make a living from any aspects of music. So don't think that a degree in audio engineering is going to automatically open the doors for you to work in the studios. That path is no more stable than a path in any other branches, regardless of what most people in here thinks.

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Don't spend any money on a degree for the music business, besides a business and marketing degree. You're a lot less likely to find a job with a sound engineering degree than a business degree or something of that nature.

- Full Sail Graduate. The music industry has been almost killed completely due to the black market. Get a degree you can use elsewhere as well as the music industry.
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Your thinking is wrong. In the reality of music industry, your certificate doesn't matter. Unlike many other careers where your degree gives you entitlement, music doesn't. It relies on experience. So it doesn't matter if you're getting a degree in performance, composition, audio engineering and design, etc, you have to be proactive in gaining practical experience from these opportunities, not to pursue a piece of paper that says you're qualified, because no one will care. But if you gain enough experience and notability, you can make a living from any aspects of music. So don't think that a degree in audio engineering is going to automatically open the doors for you to work in the studios. That path is no more stable than a path in any other branches, regardless of what most people in here thinks.

This.

Use the course to meet people and gain experience, not just for the piece of paper.
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Don't spend any money on a degree for the music business, besides a business and marketing degree. Anything else is useless.

- Full Sail (Fail) Graduate. The music industry has been almost killed completely due to the black market. Get a degree you can use elsewhere as well as the music industry.

It's not useless. Music schools are a valuable resource to get a head start on your career if you look at it that way. Of course, the paper itself is useless. That's what I was addressing earlier.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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You're right, not USELESS, let me correct.
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#11
Ugh, if you wanna get famous, do it. You're not gunna get anywhere with that attitude. You've really gotta work hard and get yourself noticed. Slash wanted to be in a famous band when he started playing, he worked hard and he's now arguably one of the most recognised guitarists in the world.

I hate people with that attitude. Yeah, people might tell you it's very unlikely and stupid to have a goal like that, and to a point, it is. It depends how you go about getting there though. Set yourself small goals. Get a band first off. Then get a few gigs a month around your town, gradually increasing your popularity. Then move out further and further. It's gunna be hard, but not impossible.
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Ugh, if you wanna get famous, do it. You're not gunna get anywhere with that attitude. You've really gotta work hard and get yourself noticed. Slash wanted to be in a famous band when he started playing, he worked hard and he's now arguably one of the most recognised guitarists in the world.

I hate people with that attitude. Yeah, people might tell you it's very unlikely and stupid to have a goal like that, and to a point, it is. It depends how you go about getting there though. Set yourself small goals. Get a band first off. Then get a few gigs a month around your town, gradually increasing your popularity. Then move out further and further. It's gunna be hard, but not impossible.



you obviously have no life experience or sense of realism
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Ugh, if you wanna get famous, do it. You're not gunna get anywhere with that attitude. You've really gotta work hard and get yourself noticed. Slash wanted to be in a famous band when he started playing, he worked hard and he's now arguably one of the most recognised guitarists in the world.

I hate people with that attitude. Yeah, people might tell you it's very unlikely and stupid to have a goal like that, and to a point, it is. It depends how you go about getting there though. Set yourself small goals. Get a band first off. Then get a few gigs a month around your town, gradually increasing your popularity. Then move out further and further. It's gunna be hard, but not impossible.

Fuck yeah!
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Slash wanted to be in a famous band when he started playing, he worked hard and he's now arguably one of the most recognised guitarists in the world.

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plus getting famous is more luck than anything.there are thousands of hard working talented musicians who never get anywhere with music
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you obviously have no life experience or sense of realism

You obviously have no ambition.
#17
plenty of ambition but im a realist.there will never be a band as big as metallica or the like again or have as long and successful career because the music industry is completely different to what it was 20 years ago. ambition is worth squat to you now if u want to be the next slash or whatever. do what you enjoy doing, dont try and become your idol
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Your thinking is wrong. In the reality of music industry, your certificate doesn't matter. Unlike many other careers where your degree gives you entitlement, music doesn't. It relies on experience. So it doesn't matter if you're getting a degree in performance, composition, audio engineering and design, etc, you have to be proactive in gaining practical experience from these opportunities, not to pursue a piece of paper that says you're qualified, because no one will care. But if you gain enough experience and notability, you can make a living from any aspects of music. So don't think that a degree in audio engineering is going to automatically open the doors for you to work in the studios. That path is no more stable than a path in any other branches, regardless of what most people in here thinks.

This is true, but also there is a HUGE amount of luck involved with getting a job in the music industry. Basically you have to knock on doors and phone people up and all that stuff and get yourself known. Contacts are the most important thing in the music industry.
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This is true, but also there is a HUGE amount of luck involved with getting a job in the music industry.

No there isn't. I know plenty of my peers who are already getting their foot in the door in all branches of the industry. They can't ALL have amazing luck. They just know how to make good use of resources. Getting internships, networking, and other forms of involvement are not that hard to achieve. It's all about how well you apply yourself.

Of course I'm not talking about getting signed to a major. Frankly, I don't even think it's worth the work these days. There's so much bs involved. But anything moderate is definitely within anyone's grasp. Talent, experience, and reputation are all factors that you have full control over.

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#21
the moon is in the sky

seriously though.look on youtube and you can see thousands of videos of young hopeful people waiting for their break and none of them will have a long successful career like slash because the industry is more interested in flavour of the month stars rather than big names.it makes more money always having the nest big thing rather than this guy again
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No there isn't. I know plenty of my peers who are already getting their foot in the door. They can't ALL have amazing luck. They just know how to make good use of resources. Getting internships, networking, and other forms of involvement are not that hard to achieve. It's all about how well you apply yourself.

Maybe it's abit different in america then. I know over here very few people from the college i'm at who've done the degree get into music. A lot actually become music tech teachers
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Maybe it's abit different in america then. I know over here very few people from the college i'm at who've done the degree get into music. A lot actually become music tech teachers

Yes, location does play a role. And there are plenty of foreign musicians who come here and risk their investment because they know that's where the industry is. That's just the way it is. Businesses aren't going to revolve around you. If you're a computer engineer, you go to Silicon Valley. Same principle.

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the moon is in the sky

seriously though.look on youtube and you can see thousands of videos of young hopeful people waiting for their break
and none of them will have a long successful career like slash because the industry is more interested in flavour of the month stars rather than big names.it makes more money always having the nest big thing rather than this guy again

...not everyone who posts a guitar video on youtube is "waiting for their break". Not every good guitar player wants to even TRY to make it because they'd rather do other things like have a family and what not.
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true but undoubtedly many of them dream of making it big.most young guitarists do but eventually you grow up and realize life is a b!tch and you set yourself achievable goals that have less variables that are outside of your control
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well, if it's talent you're lacking and looking for a quick break - try going on an entertainment talent show such as american idol or x factor.

Or, if talent, integrity and/or passion is what you have for music - then I'm afriad you'll just need to try the hard way and work your way up.
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true but undoubtedly many of them dream of making it big.most young guitarists do but eventually you grow up and realize life is a b!tch and you set yourself achievable goals that have less variables that are outside of your control

Well of course they all DREAM about it. That doesn't mean they're putting all of their blood, sweat, and tears into making it big.
#28
I gave up hoping the same time I started playing. Luckily, I am also interested in computing science -- my prospective major at a university sometime in the future.
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#29
I'm going to school for a marketing degree with an emphasis on the music industry. the program requires us to take business core classes like accounting, econonmics, advertising and public relations along with music fundamentals, appreciation, technology, etc.

I thought about going to a different school for music performance or education but the job security isn't very appealing. With this program I will have a business degree, a strong network of industry contacts, and hopefully a job after I graduate. If not, then I'm going to grad school
#30
You'd have about the same chance of getting into the music industry with a BBA/MBA as you would with a sound engineer degree.

Go look up the profiles of the board of directors for EMI, Universal Music, Sony Music. I know its a longshot and you would have to slice a couple of throats on your way to becoming a chief executive of whichever label but i doubt that any of those guys have degree's in anything remotely to do with music. More likely, they will have MBAs and JDs. I haven't even looked but i bet you five imaginary dollars that it will be something like that.
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