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Hi folks!
Here is a little demonstration of a piece of wood that I turned into a functional guitar. Share your opinion about where does the tone actually come from - wood or pickup, and what characteristics of both are important for good tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SohWrnzYqAk
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old.


also,

good playing =/= good tone

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#3
Unless your pickup is a piece of junk, the tone mostly comes from the wood. This is why vintage guitars often sound so good.
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Actually amazing
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Lol that was awesome props man
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#7
tone comes from...
You + Pups + Amp
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lol@people saying tone doesn't have anything to do with the wood. So terribly wrong it's laughable. To think this is a guitar information board with that many clueless people.

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#9
good call brother! excellent. while it's not the best, considering what it is, kudos!

I have an oooooold school Squier that is one of the best guitars I've ever played. They just don't make em like that anymore.

Did I just compare a Squier to a piece of plywood? I did.
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Quote by surik
Hi folks!
Here is a little demonstration of a piece of wood that I turned into a functional guitar. Share your opinion about where does the tone actually come from - wood or pickup, and what characteristics of both are important for good tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SohWrnzYqAk

That... is amazing.

I don't have any stories to top that, but what I do know is that I took a $70 kit and, with some time and about $175 more, turned it into something that plays and sounds better than any Squier I've tried, I'd say it ranks up with MIJ Fenders. It's amazing what a few parts and some lovin' will do.
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By high-gain I don't mean stupid stuff. I just mean styles like Motley Crue or Iron Maiden
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I find that the right gear helps, the better the gear the better the tone, to be I'm a shitty player but i have a good tone, and thats because how i play,not what i play. I also feel, the less is more when it comes to gear.

My brother has a $2500 mesa boogie but he uses this shitty computer program which is fine but it sounds fake, even though he wont admit it.
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Quote by guitar nubsauce
lol@people saying tone doesn't have anything to do with the wood. So terribly wrong it's laughable. To think this is a guitar information board with that many clueless people.


no-one so far has said that on this thread... or are you generalising?
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tone comes from...
You + Pups + Amp


YOU FORGOT WOOD BRAH
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High gain =/= good representation of the tone. Great idea, though! People were always in disbelief when I got a perfect Santana tone from a $200 Jay Turser Tele and a Blues Jr.
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Quote by guitar nubsauce
YOU FORGOT WOOD BRAH

I think these elements are more important than wood
but tbh I haven't played guitars exactly the same apart from the wood and noted down changes in tone in a scientific setting...
so
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Quote by supersac
wonder what it sounds like clean?


Hey, I will make a clean vid very soon, and with better sound quality, so you will have a more truthful representation
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Quote by aRandomSandwich
I think these elements are more important than wood
but tbh I haven't played guitars exactly the same apart from the wood and noted down changes in tone in a scientific setting...
so

Look at it this way-
This:


does not sound anything like this:
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Am I the only one who saw that he's playing through a Spider?
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Which, of course, automatically makes the tone suck.
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Am I the only one who saw that he's playing through a Spider?



Spider IV is a major improvement from its predecessor.
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Quote by aRandomSandwich
I think these elements are more important than wood
but tbh I haven't played guitars exactly the same apart from the wood and noted down changes in tone in a scientific setting...
so


I'd have to say you're way off base, and wood is probably the most important factor when it comes to tone besides the player's skill.

Don't post things like that you did if you're not positive, because it was just plain wrong.
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Quote by guitar nubsauce
I'd have to say you're way off base, and wood is probably the most important factor when it comes to tone besides the player's skill.

Don't post things like that you did if you're not positive, because it was just plain wrong.

I didn't say wood didn't make a difference i just said IMO it was The player the PUps and The amp, here i'll fix my theorem to please you,
Player + PUps + Amp + WOOD...

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I didn't say wood didn't make a difference i just said IMO it was The player the PUps and The amp, here i'll fix my theorem to please you,
Player + PUps + Amp + WOOD...

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I'm sorry if I seemed grouchy, just trying to make sure the information here is legit.

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#25
Id say its more the player, e.g. Jack White could rip an amazing sounding solo on my Vintage V100 and Marshall Class 5, while I wouldnt get anywhere near that sound even with the best gear in the world.

Im not saying other stuff is unimportant, just the player is more.

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Quote by bingeandletgo
Spider IV is a major improvement from its predecessor.


...not really. Having played extensively a Spider II, III and and owner of a 4 now...the difference is not much, especially in the gain channels.

Look, I hate to break it to all of you Blues Jr. and small class A tube amp holders, that refuse to admit it, but in the high gain category, that thing had great tone. The damn thing literally WAS plywood, except for the neck, even the pickup was sub-par. Basically that throws out the UG theory that you need good wood, good construction and an expensive amp to achieve good tone...y'all are just mad I'm glad somebody proved the entire community wrong, as a proud owner of custom shop guitars and lover of tube amps, I'm glad somebody did this, sure makes the UG snobs look like idiots.
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#27
My theory is that this particular piece of wood (fir or spruce, I'm not sure how to translate :/ ) is very dry and has acoustic properties, and that probably affects the tone in a positive way. Now, I tried different pickups, from good to bad, and the result would be good in any way. Some pickups produce more bass, or more middle or treble, or different combinations of those, but in general with this 'guitar' some things stay the same: resonance, dynamic response, sustain, basic tone color...
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Quote by obeythepenguin
Many factors affect tone. No one's more important than any other..


Disagree, your body+neck woods will make the biggest difference, and that's where you should start. After that you chase the tone you want by changing pups, etc.
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Come up with a way to objectively measure it, and I might believe you.

The thing is, different factors affect the sound in different ways, so you can't really say one makes more of a difference than any other. Granted, you can replace pickups, but you can't replace body wood, so it makes sense to find the right woods first. But I don't see how you'd prove the body wood makes a "bigger" difference.


The only plausible way would be to clone trees and make a guitar using the same exact wood with the same exact grain with the same exact pickups with the same exact windings and wire, with the same exact pots... I could keep going on.

BASICALLY; if you get good tone, and your happy with it, whether you spent $300, or $3,000, who's to judge?
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ive seen that vid before, tone isnt great. not even all that good. its a mediocre tone with solid playing. the playing covers up the fact that the tone isnt very good.

also, the more gain you add, the less some of the other factors like wood start to matter. especially with lower end amps. the gain starts to cover up the differences in the character of the wood with low end amp, instead of enhancing and bringing out the subtleties.
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Quote by jof1029
ive seen that vid before, tone isnt great. not even all that good. its a mediocre tone with solid playing. the playing covers up the fact that the tone isnt very good.

also, the more gain you add, the less some of the other factors like wood start to matter. especially with lower end amps. the gain starts to cover up the differences in the character of the wood with low end amp, instead of enhancing and bringing out the subtleties.


Oh god, this^.

That's a very workable tone, but it doesn't even approach the real depth of a high end tube amp. Had that been properly miced in a studio it probably would have far more obvious. Also, the amp is single most important contributor to tone. There's absolutely no replacement for a good amp if you're looking for a specific tone. Lower gain lets the wood and pickups shine through more.
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That's pretty cool, but I'm not sure how well I can judge the actual tone listening to it through my laptop speaker.
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Quote by obeythepenguin
Wood's a major factor in tone. That's why a Strat doesn't sound like a LP, even with the same pickups, and neither of those sounds like a hollowbody. (And why a basswood guitar doesn't sound like anything worth buying. )
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No kidding a strat doesn't sound like a les paul. A les paul has a set neck, with humbuckers, while a strat has a bolt on neck with single coil pickups and (usually) a trem. All of those factors are going to affect tone heavily.
And on the basswood thing, Ibanez makes a lot of very high quality and amazing sounding guitars out of basswood. It's not a bad wood, it's just that basswood is like the B.C. Rich of tonewoods (low end=shit, high end=fine)
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(And why a basswood guitar doesn't sound like anything worth buying. )
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Yeah, that quote about basswood guitars is absolutely ridiculous.
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Hate to break it to you but that sounds pretty bad.
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#36
Amp, player, pickups. Those are the biggest factors. Even little things like capacitor value or cable resistance can have more affect on tone than body materials. Many fantastic sounding guitars have been made with different materials such as graphite, carbon fiber, acrylic, masonite, metal, or even plywood. A well crafted wood guitar is a thing of beauty, but it won't necessarily make or break the tone.
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That was pretty friggin awsome. btw if anyone cares the wood on those pallets is not all that cheap. most companies use fairly strong wood on those things. hell ive seen those palets with alder, birch, and even pine.
as for the debate about how important wood is, it is a factor in a guitars sound, the thickness even the shape of a guitar body can depict tone. this is why an explorer sounds different then a flying V.
it is a marriage of many things that gives a guitar its sound.
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honestly, i found that video sounded terrible, didn't listen to it for very long...
using a spider, any guitar will sound the same
using an insane amount of gain (no pun intended) will also make guitars sound alike
using a camera mic will also muffle the sound

in the end, we don't have the accurate representation of a woodless guitar going into a steriliser

sorry to burst the bubble, that's my opinion
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Quote by guitar nubsauce
lol@people saying tone doesn't have anything to do with the wood. So terribly wrong it's laughable. To think this is a guitar information board with that many clueless people.


Can you not read? Only two people said anything about where tone comes from before your post and one of them said that wood is a huge component. The other didn't say that wood has nothing to do with it, they just neglected to mention it at all.
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Quote by obeythepenguin
But you can't really put those factors in any meaningful order, because all of them affect sound differently.


Although I respect your opinion I politely disagree. I think an experienced musician can tell the difference between changes that have a minor affect on tone versus those that have a major affect on tone. For example, it is easy enough to change only the body on a Strat and compare the recorded tone. The same goes for changing only a pickup or an amp, or a cable, or even the musician. Some changes simply have a greater impact on tone than others.
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