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radio_schizo
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#1
It seems that way, which is strange because punk and metal for me is the best musical marriage there is. For me a lot of the 1st wave BM bands like Venom, Celtic Frost/Hellhammer have a lot of similarities to the punk bands I like - particuarly the more crust/anarcho bands of the 80s. Also Deathcrush era-Mayhem and new Darkthrone, Autopsy/Abscess all show strong punk influences. I think I read somewhere in an interview somewhere that when Mayhem started off they were popular at the punk venues.

Anyway I was just wondering people's views on this? most metalheads I meet seem to disregard punk for being too simplistic and underproduced but old school black metal, grind and death metal is exactly that...it's just they took the extremity to the limits. To be fair those people are usually pretty prejudiced and ignorant to "true" punk anyway in the same way that many punks are the same to metal.
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#2
I don't like much punk, which doesn't make me, or for that matter anyone who shares the same view, anti-punk - it's a needlessly inflammatory way of expressing it.
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#3
dude, some of the biggest metalheads i know love punk, sounds like you're talking with some grade a falses hate to break it to you
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#5
I am a huge metalhead; I LOVE death metal, 80's thrash and hair metal, today's metalcore, and pretty much everything inbetween..But I HATE punk. It just strikes a nerve, and I don't really know why.
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#6
I despise the genre with every fibre in my being. None of them can play, they just do chords, their vocals take no technique, I mean it's just shouting, none of the skill of growling and their clothes are so bad. They need to get some Metal style, not those awful mohicans.
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I don't hate punk. it's just not one of my favorite genres. I do like a few punk bands (Sex Pistols, NOFX, early Green Day) but I never really got into punk. I definitely do not hate it though.
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#10
I hate metalheads
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Im a metalhead but I like alot of different music too, blues, rockabilly, classic rock... (I think "normal" rock is obvious) but I dont like punk that much. I dont hate it, but I wouldnt listen to it voluntarily. However I can stand it much better than absolute shit like pop, rap or techno. To answer the question straight; No, I dont hate punk but I dont like it that much either.
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#13
I must say that punk is one of the few musical styles that I often really can't stand, and I'm pretty into metal.

EDIT: ^ I love metal alot
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what is it?
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Probably, but most metalheads are creepy
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okay so its that video when lily thai squirts everywhere and everyone freaks out and she hits the director and everything, but theres this one guy in the background just crouching there naked making that face
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okay so its that video when lily thai squirts everywhere and everyone freaks out and she hits the director and everything, but theres this one guy in the background just crouching there naked making that face


pm link you dirty pr0n geek
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radio_schizo
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#21
Perhaps anti-punk is a bit strong (though applicable for many) I was just interested to see if the metal/punk relationship was still segregated. I think it's a shame - many of my favourite bands play a mixture of the two and myself + lot of punks I know like thrash, grindcore, some black metal for the "punk" energy and rawness. Crust punk/d-beat in particular seems to be massively influenced/influential on a lot of the rawer metal.

Take these three bands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gfeTsUMJxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXhBs1Ho18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLLRISUBNH8

For me the metal and punk sound is perfect.
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okay so its that video when lily thai squirts everywhere and everyone freaks out and she hits the director and everything, but theres this one guy in the background just crouching there naked making that face



I'm disappointed I can't find this original video now
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#24
Is it bad that I kinda know what he's talking about?


get on with the pm Camby
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Bloody love the first two bands...will check out the third!

The thing is a lot of people think punk is just bloody Sex Pistols, Greenday, Nofx. It's like me saying I hate metal because I don't like Metallica, AC/DC or Ax7. Like any genre there is so much more to it. I'm surprised so many metal guys don't like any punk...even the harder edged stuff/crossover stuff. I think they should sit hand in hand since they both share the "anti commercial" ethos and raw sound.

When I was at Party.San fest this year I overheard some snide comments about me wearing a Discharge t-shirt & vise versa at a punk fest this summer for wearing a Napalm Death tee but tbh most of the time metalheads/punks appreciated both bands for the same reasons...but it does seem rare.
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#26
Some of the best metal is influenced and inspired by punk technique and you'd have to be incredibly ignorant not to give credit where it's due. DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Amebix, Discharge, Exploited, etc. all passed on a great deal to bands like Darkthrone and Dismember for instance (if you want a great example of the d-beat in full force). Not only did the technique pass on, but the intensity and attitude as well, allowing extreme bands to utilize the energy that punk inherently possessed. That was one of the elements that allowed the best to persevere and rise above the mediocrity and further away from their blues-rock roots to become something much more than an offshoot.
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#27
I'm not that big on punk, but I really like hardcore punk
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#28
crust ftw
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#29
Can't Tool be linked to punk in a way? They do have somewhat politcal/social themes in their lyrics.

I'll listen to punk, just not the constant eigth note power chord/annoying angsty voice kind. You know the one I'm talking about.
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Quote by Contraband
Some of the best metal is influenced and inspired by punk technique and you'd have to be incredibly ignorant not to give credit where it's due. DRI, Cryptic Slaughter, Amebix, Discharge, Exploited, etc. all passed on a great deal to bands like Darkthrone and Dismember for instance (if you want a great example of the d-beat in full force). Not only did the technique pass on, but the intensity and attitude as well, allowing extreme bands to utilize the energy that punk inherently possessed. That was one of the elements that allowed the best to persevere and rise above the mediocrity and further away from their blues-rock roots to become something much more than an offshoot.

Well put! it was the darkness, heavyness (thematically/sound wise) of Black Sabbath and the speed and raw energy of hardcore punk bands that lead to the early black/death bands forming. Whether consciously done or not punk with out fail helped metal develop into more extreme territories as far as the sound goes. Likewise many awesome punk bands now are influenced by thrash, black metal and death metal.
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Can't Tool be linked to punk in a way? They do have somewhat politcal/social themes in their lyrics.
Fine, if this means U2 get to be punk too, I'm all for it.
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#32
You know who else is punk then? NWA.
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#33
Good Metal and Punk have the same roots.Most Metalheads who know what their talking about at least respect 80`s hardcore,crust,grind and all that.
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anyways, my opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I_GW0cF1to

(and not the sound clip at the beginning, the entire song)

There are some way too many blurred lines to love one and hate the other. Unless you're a metal head who doesn't like any: grindcore, crust, or crossover.
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#37
I was into punk before i was metal. I'd say i like metal more these days...but punk is still awesome. And for those saying (if any of you are serious) that punks just power chords and poorly done vocals.....and?
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#38
Can someone PM that link of Lilly Thai. Damn it.
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#39
Uh no. Pop Punk yes, but real Punk no.
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I was into punk before i was metal. I'd say i like metal more these days...but punk is still awesome. And for those saying (if any of you are serious) that punks just power chords and poorly done vocals.....and?


Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.