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#41
They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.
#42
Quote by WizMystery
Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.


moot point since the same thing happened to metal
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#43
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Pfft, crust punk > all metal in some cases.

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so good, even if it is "pro-religious" in a way (the lyrics are a quote from Keirkegauurd).


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They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.


The sex pistols are one of the worst "punk" bands ever. They're the punk equivalent of the backstreet boys - having their entire image marketed. Not only that, but they stood for everything punk is against. They took anarchy and turned it into a term that means chaos and destruction, sucking any academic creditability out of the word. Mindless violence, binge drinking, and heroin while holding some kind of ideology of the word - they can go fuck themselves (and so can all their fans).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvmGgf_PPA
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#44
Quote by sugarveins
They don't hate punk, usually real rockers like all rock, sure some bands aren't for them, but normally, it's all rock at the end of the day and if you gave metal heads a choice of NWA or the Sex Pistols, guess what, there listening to the Sex Pistols.

Except that NWA is infinitely better than the ****ing Sex Pistols.
#46
Quote by progbass
moot point since the same thing happened to metal


Actually it was always that way, minus the stuff that evolved underground.
#48
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#50
...so you are arguing against Blaze in the Northern Sky to contain any elements of sole power chord riffage with simple drum beats and against the grain vocals?

Or are you arguing that Blaze in the Northern Sky was not an influential record in the slightest?
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#53
My point is that the 2nd wave of black metal, which did evolve underground, and was later exploited all to hell, started with a bunch of guys playing in punk aesthetics.
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#54
None that I know...I love some punk, especially crossover, crust, RAC and hardcore. It's also extremely similar to a lot of metal musically.
#55
Quote by progbass
My point is that the 2nd wave of black metal, which did evolve underground, and was later exploited all to hell, started with a bunch of guys playing in punk aesthetics.


But that's black metal, not all metal, so I don't see how your point goes against mine. The peak of metal's popularity resulted from the power-chord influenced rock groups turning into bands like Metallica. Metallica then influenced a lot of other bands who put their own twist their style and a huge evolution took place underground. That black metal expolit you're talking about is not only way less popular than Metallica ever was, but also a singularity.
#56
its.
the.
same
fvcking
thing

Its just on smaller scale. To not credit black metal as a huge evolution in underground is just retarded. Even early death metal circa '86 -> '91 was all about pushing the envelope with DIY ethics and adopted crossover beats. Dismember is the king of D-beats and they were big players in the swedish DM scene. So was Entombed.

Also, you can't count all the ripoff bands that spawned when Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was released. Even today, we still see bands EVERY YEAR ripping that album. Following the same formula that was pioneered years ago.

A better point would of been Sepultura, one of the first death / black bands, but playing in thrash aesthetics. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, and Bestial Devastation had a big impact on early death metal. After thrash started to get big and die away, Sepultura jump ship and cash in on the nu metal trend. The result = piss poor music, and Max Calavera creating the abomination that is Soulfly
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#57
Thrash and black metal, both shit and breed punk music IMO.
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#58
Quote by progbass
its.
the.
same
fvcking
thing

Its just on smaller scale. To not credit black metal as a huge evolution in underground is just retarded. Even early death metal circa '86 -> '91 was all about pushing the envelope with DIY ethics and adopted crossover beats. Dismember is the king of D-beats and they were big players in the swedish DM scene. So was Entombed.

Also, you can't count all the ripoff bands that spawned when Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was released. Even today, we still see bands EVERY YEAR ripping that album. Following the same formula that was pioneered years ago.

A better point would of been Sepultura, one of the first death / black bands, but playing in thrash aesthetics. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia, and Bestial Devastation had a big impact on early death metal. After thrash started to get big and die away, Sepultura jump ship and cash in on the nu metal trend. The result = piss poor music, and Max Calavera creating the abomination that is Soulfly


I honestly don't see where you're going with this... I'm not trying to deny that this stuff happened. It's not even relevant to what I was saying before where you caught up, so why are you even mentioning this?

Let's go back to what I said before when you called my point moot. I said that metalheads of this age do not like the plain powerchord style [HONESTY EDIT: Woops, I meant me.], and that punk turned into that very thing. There, that's the point I was trying to make, and that's what my entire post consisted of.

What you should have said was "no, most metalheads actually do like that," and then I would have given you my idea of the word. I don't associate metalhead with strictly Metallica and A7X fans since most metalheads tend to extend their musical taste beyond that narrow reach.
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#59
Quote by WizMystery
Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk. If that's all it takes to bring you into the "wow" zone, then you're pretty lucky as a number of us metalheads can't listen to that and be satisfied.

Quote by WizMystery
Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right? I don't know the history of the genre but I'm willing to bet that's how it happened) but after that it became a media exploit and that's all we hear of punk.

Quote by WizMystery
Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing. Sure that type of punk was considered good when it first came out (Most likely in the underground... right?

Quote by WizMystery
Even though evidence from this thread shows us it isn't all like that, power chords and poorly done vocals don't match up to create the most imaginative thing.


Wait progbass, you don't mean to say that black and death metal is not a driving force in how todays metal is created, even if the earliest bands used power chords and poorly created vocals in comparison to the speed and thrash bands that dominated the scene at the time of their inception?

Blaze in the Northern Sky never influenced a single band, neither did Severed Survival. They also never embraced punk ethics and morality and injected it into metal. Thats my new point.
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#60
Quote by progbass
Wait progbass, you don't mean to say that black and death metal is not a driving force in how todays metal is created, even if the earliest bands used power chords and poorly created vocals in comparison to the speed and thrash bands that dominated the scene at the time of their inception?


Can you spare me the would-be novel of an argument and just say that metalheads do in fact listen to powerchord-based music so I can either quickly provide evidence for my claim or learn from my mistakes and accept that I've just made a false generalization instead of bringing up some movement chances are I've never even heard about?

I'm willing to admit I have no real knowledge of metal history and am just going by what I've experienced and heard. I've only been in the metal scene for like 2 years.

So a lot of underground metal is in fact power-chord based. Point taken. That still doesn't change what I was trying to say originally as I only gave my personal opinion and not anyone elses. I don't like sole-powerchord riffage. It's boring to me. I don't listen to that type of metal. You however assumed I did, somehow making my "point"... pointless. Unless you interpreted my post as a speech on all metalheads' behalves, I don't know why you even had to go and contridict my "point". And if you did interpret it that way, well... I wasn't doing that. The fact that you dragged me into an argument made me make the generalization along the lines by mere accident in attempt to defend my standpoint (I suck at arguing, what other explanation could you possibly want?). I wasn't here to argue, I just gave my two cents. Argument over on terms of "not feeling it today."

Let's just get over this and keep the topic from becoming a complete derail.
#61
It doesn't matter how simple the piece of music is, you're just making a bullshit guideline for yourself that you'll cross at some point anyway or will pretend to attend to in the future : "Ooh, this is good. Wait, no, what's that, did I just hear a power chord. What utter shite." You're saying that you don't like metal that is power chord based which is utterly facking absurd, you might as well say "I don't like bands that are in e standard, it's too simple".
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#64
Chords are too mainstream, I like when musicians use... well actually nevermind, you've probably never heard of it.

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#66
No

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#67
I think it wouldn't be much of a stretch to conclude that most people's conception of punk consists of Green Day, Sex Pistols, NOFX and the Ramones. It's easy to confuse that with the actually offensive evolution otherwise known to be hardcore punk.

Who here who says they don't enjoy punk has actually listened to Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing or Dealing With It or Let's Start a War or Convicted or Arise!?
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#68
You forgot that allot of "metalheads" listen to only weak over processed techy stuff that has next to no punk or good metal influence left.For example,there is no Punk influence in Dream Theater.
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#69
I went through my punk-hating stage when I really started getting into metal, even though it was punk that introduced me to music in general in the first place. I love punk, especially old school hardcore punk, stuff like Poison Idea, Minor Threat etc. Sometimes punk is just a simple, even fun break from metal - except when it's Yellowcard, but anyone who considers them punk should probably get a lobotomy.
#71
lol punx is stupid bcoz they cant play axe solos n the msuic is all powrkords

The best subgenres are everything crust related (from 80s crust to extreme metal), powerviolence and stuff, and heavy metal. Op is a pretty cool guy. Void/Faith split is awesome
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#72
Quote by progbass
My point is that the 2nd wave of black metal, which did evolve underground, and was later exploited all to hell, started with a bunch of guys playing in punk aesthetics.

Exactly my view...and Fenriz and Nocturno are pretty open about their punk influences. All the best black 1st wave metal like Hellhammer, CF, Venom, Bathory, 2nd wave like Darkthrone early Mayhem as well and new bands like Aura Noir, Gallhammer all capture the true essence of extreme music. raw, fast, simple and ugly. I find the reason why I am a bit hit or miss with BM is because of the over-produced, overly complicated sounding bands that seem to be everywhere. Of course it is all just a personal perference, but I like black metal to have that cold, raw, primal sound. It matches the imagery and lyrics.

For example: japanese crusty punk band G.I.S.M: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSyYr1ZWm1Y&feature=related talk about sounding like black metal. and this is in 1983! my view is that in the wonderful decade which is the 80s punk and metal converged so perfectly that both were consistantly feeding on each others influence.
#73
Whilst I really respect the punk ethos and acknowledge that punk and metal have evolved in pretty close proximity over the years, I generally don't enjoy listening to it, for various reasons (I enjoy better production over punk's "dirtyness", and complexity over punk's simplicity... plus I don't like the vocal style -- personal taste). I don't consider myself anti-punk; I don't even consider myself a cut-and-dried metalhead.
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#74
Quote by illuminatiano
It doesn't matter how simple the piece of music is, you're just making a bullshit guideline for yourself that you'll cross at some point anyway or will pretend to attend to in the future : "Ooh, this is good. Wait, no, what's that, did I just hear a power chord. What utter shite." You're saying that you don't like metal that is power chord based which is utterly facking absurd, you might as well say "I don't like bands that are in e standard, it's too simple".


How about you let me have my own opinion?

I'm not setting a guideline for myself just for some "better reputation" that you think I'm aiming for, I actually feel that way. I said sole-powerchord riffage. I don't stop listening to the music when I hear a couple of powerchords, but when that's all the song consists of it doesn't do much for me, because it gives off this sense of conventionalism and the variation of emotions in the music is nearly zero. Tool and DT use them all the time, but they also vary their riffage using single notes/other chords (even if I do regard DT to fall under that "conventional" (for lack of a better word) category just a bit) therefore varying the emotions in the music.

You have no reason to be as mad as you seem right now. Really. I have a feeling you just read the last few posts and then got all mad because you're assuming I'm categorizing punk in the "all powerchords" category when I'm not. I said earlier that punk is more than that.
#75
Do you think that technical playing is always necessarily better, regardless of what's actually being played?
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#77
Quote by dead-fish
Do you think that technical playing is always necessarily better, regardless of what's actually being played?


If you're talking to me: No, I also listen to post-rock and stuff like that. I'm not talking down to powerchords, I'm just saying they're not for me.
#78
Subtle emotions and atmosphere =/= none at all
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#79
Quote by Cianyx
Subtle emotions and atmosphere =/= none at all


Because that's totally what I'm saying.
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