#1
Article - Deffo worth the read.

Basically, according to social and cognitive psychology, the way we think influences the way we process new information. That's not a new idea but this is a new application. People in a study in Colorado either primed a traditionally white or black name (they wrote a short essay about a fictional either Brad or Tyrone), and then were offered theories that Obama is the antichrist. The Tyrone group were more likely to buy the bullshit.

There's more to the article than that, but it's the jist of it. Conclusion: If someone is ignoring straight-up facts, don't get mad. It's just how the brain works.

Reasoned discussion below.

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That article didn't seem to say anything.

It said people of a certain mindset will believe certain information because... they are of a certain mindset.

As they put it, liberals believe liberal ideas, conservatives believe conservative ideas.

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Quote by uk.mace
Can they really claim that it was the Tyrone essay that caused them to believe the Obama theory? Seems like a very sketchy cause to me.
But then I don't know anything about psychology.

No pychological study or theory is perfect, most of what I did when I studied psychology was criticise studies.
EDIT 2: But what they were saying was not just that in that context you won't believe the story, it was saying that belief or disbelief in an idea is not down purely to the truth or stupidity of the idea, it is about internal changes.
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#6
Bullshit,people have been enjoying it for over 2000Years!
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Can they really claim that it was the Tyrone essay that caused them to believe the Obama theory? Seems like a very sketchy cause to me.
But then I don't know anything about psychology.

Group 1 writes an essay about Tyrone, is presented with the BS, is more likely to believe it.
Group 2 writes an essay about Brad, is presented with the BS, is less likely to believe it.

That's the only way that study could have worked tbh. It's pretty clearly causal.
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That article didn't seem to say anything.

It said people of a certain mindset will believe certain information because... they are of a certain mindset.

As they put it, liberals believe liberal ideas, conservatives believe conservative ideas.

Not quite. They'll also reject certain information because their mindset disagrees, rather than trying to adjust to accept it. So show a climate-change denier solid evidence that the world as a whole is getting warmer and they'll ignore it. Kinda implies that it's pointless to argue that way.

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That's the only way that study could have worked tbh. It's pretty clearly causal.
Not quite. They'll also reject certain information because their mindset disagrees, rather than trying to adjust to accept it. So show a climate-change denier solid evidence that the world as a whole is getting warmer and they'll ignore it. Kinda implies that it's pointless to argue that way.

Well yeah again so if somebody doesn't believe something, then they won't believe it.

But then the article also says eventually if given evidence then people can shift beliefs. So it doesn't seem to say much!
#10
Interesting find

Substantial numbers of Americans believe Obama is the Antichrist. One survey in New Jersey found that as many as one in five people believe this theory.
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Well yeah again so if somebody doesn't believe something, then they won't believe it.

But then the article also says eventually if given evidence then people can shift beliefs. So it doesn't seem to say much!

Basically my point is this: Paddy, you're silly.

Also the foot-in-the-door method of persuasion is a way to get around this.

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#12
Well I could have told you that people sometimes ignore the facts. This isn't new at all and doesn't need an application. Its called life, ain't it? Why are scientists wasting money on this.
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Well I could have told you that people sometimes ignore the facts. This isn't new at all and doesn't need an application. Its called life, ain't it? Why are scientists wasting money on this.

Hm, you don't think it's interesting at all that priming blackness causes people to be more likely to believe Obama is the antichrist?

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Can they really claim that it was the Tyrone essay that caused them to believe the Obama theory? Seems like a very sketchy cause to me.
But then I don't know anything about psychology.

You're right. They didn't really explain why they thought the racial primer was the cause of the people believing the bullshit, even with the lengthy analogy about tigers and bears.
#16
I looked at the thread title, said "SteveHouse made this."

I was right.

Anyway, yeah, this is pretty cool.
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Well I could have told you that people sometimes ignore the facts. This isn't new at all and doesn't need an application. Its called life, ain't it? Why are scientists wasting money on this.


Yeah, I agree, they could be figuring out better ways to build high tech turtle tunnels under highways so they don't get run over. Maybe they will put a hot dog stand in them.

Or maybe more money to figure out how crack affects monkeys. Maybe that's where the term "crack monkey" came from.
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You're right. They didn't really explain why they thought the racial primer was the cause of the people believing the bullshit, even with the lengthy analogy about tigers and bears.

Do you guys seriously not understand how an experiment works?

Man, sometimes I need to step back from my own preconceptions I guess. I responded to uk.mace with what they probably did, have a look at that.

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#19
As quoted from the famous ICP, "And I don't wanna talk to a scientist, y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed"
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Yeah, I agree, they could be figuring out better ways to build high tech turtle tunnels under highways so they don't get run over. Maybe they will put a hot dog stand in them.

Or maybe more money to figure out how crack affects monkeys. Maybe that's where the term "crack monkey" came from.



Yeah man that's what he need to be researching. High tech turtle tunnels, and mabey psystorm for MMM rushes and stuff.

@SteveHouse I couldn't think of a witty enough response so no not at all.
#21
I suppose this is a fairly clearcut example of what people believe to be intuitively true - if people are thinking along certain lines, they will jump to inaccurate conclusions. This is a pretty good example of why people continue to believe other rubbish, such as that women are inferior, socialism doesn't work and that there is a God.
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I suppose this is a fairly clearcut example of what people believe to be intuitively true - if people are thinking along certain lines, they will jump to inaccurate conclusions. This is a pretty good example of why people continue to believe other rubbish, such as that women are inferior, socialism doesn't work and that there is a God.

People believe those last two out of stupidity really though / ignorance.