#1
The good news

I personally think this is ridiculous. Those who may have encouraged the double suicide could be facing 14 years in jail. That's more than the average murderer would get. What are you views on this?

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An expert said: "Not many are aware of it but it means that anyone who thinks it is fun to post information about suicide could be jailed. "It doesn't matter if they are never in contact with them or the suicide attempt never happens.
"Anything capable of encouraging suicide is a crime."


So UG, in all seriousness, as there are some depressed people on this site, if anything comes up in relation to suicide, be careful what you say! (This is an English news story)
#2
Pffft


most anybody would probably get would be a shitty community order.


the CPS would probably reject most cases as they would never claim there was sufficient evidence.

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#4
Putting them in prison will do no good what so ever. Make their life consist of community service would be a much better alternative.

Gurgh should really read the article next time. If they aren't directly linked I don;t see what you can (or even should) do.
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#5
Murderers get less than 14 years in England? Remind me to commit all my murders there from now on.
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Murderers get less than 14 years in England? Remind me to commit all my murders there from now on.


I also find this to be quite strange
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Murderers get less than 14 years in England? Remind me to commit all my murders there from now on.

they get a life sentence with a minimum term i.e. they have to serve that amount of time before they're even considered for release. If they've shown considerable reformation, they may be given a second chance. It's usually around 10-15 years but people see a number and go "OMG he's only got a 12 year sentence for murder".

This is potentially 14 years meaning it'll save that for those who encourage and provide information to a specific person.

It's similar to how you can potentially get life for GBH.
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#8
I like the idea but there would need to be a direct relationship and proof that an action contributed to a specific suicide or that there was intent to cause a suicide for me to fully get behind it.
Then again I'm American so I have no say either way.
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#9
Not sure about the jail time/punishment but encouraging suicide should be illegal.

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Lol, UK.

What about the university of kentucky?
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#10
If you tell an annoying fat girl she's fat and she kills herself then, would that give you 14 years of prison?
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I'd be fucked, I encourage people to die on a daily basis.
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What about the university of kentucky?

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Wow, well that's a bunch of counselling services ****ed so.
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Not sure about the jail time/punishment but encouraging suicide should be illegal.


What about the university of kentucky?


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As the authorities have already found out, policing the internet is damn near impossible. Besides, i really can't see the general public warming to this idea when convicted murderers are released every year for 'good behaviour'
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Murderers get less than 14 years in England? Remind me to commit all my murders there from now on.


In Norway, one has to be insane or something to get more than 21 years.
#18
Agreed, I love the idea that something should happen to people who encourage suicide. I don't think 14 years in prison is the correct sentence though. More agreement on the community service. Sticking them in jail will make them worse and is a strain on resources, community service only helps the world.

That or at least force them to go to some kinda counciling or group sessions about empathy or something :P
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In Norway, one has to be insane or something to get more than 21 years.

In the U.S. if you can be proven to be insane you are exempt from responsibility for your criminal actions and placed in a psychiatric ward.
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In the U.S. if you can be proven to be insane you are exempt from responsibility for your criminal actions and placed in a psychiatric ward.
It's not quite that simple, the average person found not guilty by reason of insanity faces far longer incarcerated than a standard prisoner. Some states only have a "guilty but insane" option whereby you're still considered guilty and incarcerated, and other US states have no insanity defence.
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#21
I agree, in principle...

I'd give between 2-5 years, though.
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It's not quite that simple, the average person found not guilty by reason of insanity faces far longer incarcerated than a standard prisoner. Some states only have a "guilty but insane" option whereby you're still considered guilty and incarcerated, and other US states have no insanity defence.

I'm aware, but I can see where the ambiguity in my post came from.

When I said exempt from responsibility I meant that they would not be placed in the traditional penal reformation system.

I'm aware that insanity is very rarely applied as a defense in law, and when it is successful people are placed appropriately in a psychiatric hospital for extended periods of time. That's still a more desirable outcome than prison, as they'll get a lot more specialized care and attention that they need.
#23
We have the same law here. There was a case of a guy who convinced a bunch of people to commit suicide, one of them one a girl from mcgill I believe. I don't recall exactly what he got since the guy was american, but it was a big deal whem it happened. I think there should be more of a focus on rehabilitation, but I think thag about every law we have anyways.
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I'm aware, but I can see where the ambiguity in my post came from.

When I said exempt from responsibility I meant that they would not be placed in the traditional penal reformation system.

I'm aware that insanity is very rarely applied as a defense in law, and when it is successful people are placed appropriately in a psychiatric hospital for extended periods of time. That's still a more desirable outcome than prison, as they'll get a lot more specialized care and attention that they need.

Only if they happen to be in a jurisdiction that doesn't have "Guilty but insane" or simply doesn't have an insanity defence.
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Only if they happen to be in a jurisdiction that doesn't have "Guilty but insane" or simply doesn't have an insanity defence.

Right.
#27
In the US we have similar laws. Most states have made suicide illegal, which sounds silly on the surface, but makes sense when you consider the its implications on accessories, accomplices, and others involved.

And in the US murderers generally get 25-life, as opposed you your less than 14 year system.
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Not sure about the jail time/punishment but encouraging suicide should be illegal.


What about the university of kentucky?

I remember that thread


and I agree, it should be illegal, but I think several years of community service is a better options
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