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#1
So my Peavey 6505+ combo came in today. It's my first tube amp and I'm totally confused on how to use it. What do the resonance and presence do and whats pre and post?
#3
Pre: preamp gain. Generally if you're playing metal and want more gain, turn it up.
Post: controls your power amp. Essentially your master volume for that channel.

No idea about res. and presence on Peaveys. Experiment and have fun.
#4
I'll try and put this simply.

Presence is basically high frequencies not controlled by the treble knob, like the breathiness, or the air of the tone.

Resonance is the opposite, controlling the frequencies below the bass knob, tightening the tone up and making a fuller sound.

Pre gain, is the actual gain control, and post gain is the volume. That might not be strictly true, in terms of actually what they do, in relation to your tubes and circuitry, but thats how it would be on a normal amp, without pre and post gain.

Hope that helped buddy, enjoy your new amp
#5
Presence is essentially a High-Pass knob. Basically a treble control knob.
Resonance, honestly, I've never had an amp with a resonance knob. So I'm not sure.
Pre is the gain through the pre-amp section. Essentially your Gain or 'Distortion' level.
Post is a level control.

Just mess around with it for a bit. You're not gonna break it or anything. So just be liberal with your settings and see what they all do so you can get yourself a nice tone.

I'd recommend starting with EQ, Pres and Res at 12 o'clock and working your way from there.
#6
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So my Peavey 6505+ combo came in today. It's my first tube amp and I'm totally confused on how to use it. What do the resonance and presence do and whats pre and post?


I don't mean to be an a$$ but come on, you should at least know what the knobs do on an amp before buying it. And not just specific to the amp you bought; presence, pre and post are on a huge range of amps.

Seems like you bought it because it seemed like a cool purchase rather than having an idea of how it will help your sound and guitar playing.
#7
you buy an amp and you dont know how to use it? which means you didnt even test it out before you bought it? which means you have no clue if you like how it sounds? great...
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#8
My god, give the guy a break and quit acting like jerks. Literally none of the stores around here carry Peavey so you HAVE to buy sight unseen. And a $600 6505+ combo is a great first amp purchase. Would you have preferred him to spend the same amount on an MG Stack? Or drop $2k on a Rectifier sight usneen?
#9
Thanks anyone that actually helped. And yeah I bought it unseen. I checked just about every store in my area and the surrounding areas and none of them had Peaveys. Anyways I already have a decent clean, probably the best one can get out of a 6505. Does anyone know how what EQ I could set to get a good Cryptopsy (Whisper Supremacy) tone out of it?

EDIT: The amp came with no manual and the online manual isn't that great.
#10
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Thanks anyone that actually helped. And yeah I bought it unseen. I checked just about every store in my area and the surrounding areas and none of them had Peaveys. Anyways I already have a decent clean, probably the best one can get out of a 6505. Does anyone know how what EQ I could set to get a good Cryptopsy (Whisper Supremacy) tone out of it?

EDIT: The amp came with no manual and the online manual isn't that great.


Dude just work it out yourself. An hour or so of tweaking and you should know how everything works. Just have the Pre gain at max and the Post set fairly low. Then add some bass, add some treble and add some mids to your taste. Presence will probably go around 9 o'clock and resonance a bit more
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#11
Quote by Stud_Muffin
I'll try and put this simply.

Presence is basically high frequencies not controlled by the treble knob, like the breathiness, or the air of the tone.

Resonance is the opposite, controlling the frequencies below the bass knob, tightening the tone up and making a fuller sound.

Pre gain, is the actual gain control, and post gain is the volume. That might not be strictly true, in terms of actually what they do, in relation to your tubes and circuitry, but thats how it would be on a normal amp, without pre and post gain.

Hope that helped buddy, enjoy your new amp



Well this was the only correct answer.

Just think Reso = Bass and Pres= Highs.

And Ignore the guy above me

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#12
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Well this was the only correct answer.

Just think Reso = Bass and Pres= Highs.

And Ignore the guy above me

You dont want your Pre dimed trust me


I'm sorry I don't exactly know this amp that well. Those were starting points to work from, guidelines. Whatever
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#14
yeah resonance is like an extra control for the bass, and presence is like an extra control for the highs- they both, i think, work in the power amp. They work a little differently to the bass and treble controls, it just gives you a bit more control. High presence and low treble will sound a bit different to high treble and low presence (and ditto with the bass and resonance controls). Experiment to see which sounds best.

and yeah, pre-gain is your gain/distortion control, post-gain is volume. crank up the former for brootz, and the latter to increase the volume.
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#15
Turn your resonance way down if you want to play really tight, low-tuned lines (clarity). Turn it way up if you want a super full, thick tone (rhythm's for example)
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#16
so resonance up for brootz, down for djent?

\m/ \m/
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#17
No offense, but you could've just turned the knobs and heard what they do....

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#18
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No offense, but you could've just turned the knobs and heard what they do....



THIS!

While the whole "OMG, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE IT?!?!?!? YOU DON'T DESERVE IT!" thing is Bullshit, its very easy to turn the knob and see how the sound changes.

You should only be asking for tonal descriptions on pieces of gear you don't already OWN!
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And like a manual, which you should read before asking questions; you should read the rest of the thread before making a comment.
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#21
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And like a manual, which you should read before asking questions; you should read the rest of the thread before making a comment.

snap. HNAD by the way TS the 6505+ is a pretty simple amp you'll figure her out in no time
#22
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And like a manual, which you should read before asking questions; you should read the rest of the thread before making a comment.


Or at least the first reply...which made the same joke!
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#24
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#25
Try 7 presence, 5-6 res, pre slightly above 5. This works for an EMG81. I think it works anyways, nobody's yelled "Hey, you sound like crap!". That presence does nice things for palm muted stuff when it's a little higher.
#26
about the presence and resonance controls:

when at low volumes increase the resonance and decrease the presence to get a fuller tone at a low volume (as tube amps sound thin when at low volume)

when at high volumes decrease resonance and increase presence as the tubes will be giving you a full sound and doing this wil decrease muddyness.

these are guidelines, not strict rules, you dont have to live by them, just something to help you understand what they do and use them in a simple manner that will improve your tones at different volume levels.
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#30
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Thanks anyone that actually helped. And yeah I bought it unseen. I checked just about every store in my area and the surrounding areas and none of them had Peaveys. Anyways I already have a decent clean, probably the best one can get out of a 6505. Does anyone know how what EQ I could set to get a good Cryptopsy (Whisper Supremacy) tone out of it?

EDIT: The amp came with no manual and the online manual isn't that great.


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...just kidding, but i've got some 6505+ clean clips in my profile, recording quality isnt the best, but yah I've done some tube and pickup combinations to get the cleans to where they are...
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#31
How comes the 6505 has bad cleans, or as many people say?

Do you think people used a different amp for clean signals on their albums? Like let's say In Flames?
#32
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How comes the 6505 has bad cleans, or as many people say?

They don't.

People just don't know how to turn knobs
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#33
to be fair, though, i can't imagine anyone is going to trade in a blackface twin for one (for cleans)...

I only tried one in a shop, and yeah I probably didn't tweak as much as i should have, I thought they were usable, but not much better than that.
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#34
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to be fair, though, i can't imagine anyone is going to trade in a blackface twin for one (for cleans)...

I only tried one in a shop, and yeah I probably didn't tweak as much as i should have, I thought they were usable, but not much better than that.

Sure, they're not the greatest - but that's not what you buy that amp for in the first place.

They are completely usable, for that price, you really can't expect great cleans out of a metal amp.
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#35
oh yeah, sure. I just mean that if someone says, "5150 cleans are pretty mediocre", that that's pretty much the truth. I mean, even for high gain amps, I've tried a lot with much nicer cleans.

I agree that they're usable, and that also you're not buying it for the cleans, but yeah.
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#36
Recto cleans beat 6505 cleans IMO. The cleans I get from my 5150 are average at best.
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#37
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oh yeah, sure. I just mean that if someone says, "5150 cleans are pretty mediocre", that that's pretty much the truth. I mean, even for high gain amps, I've tried a lot with much nicer cleans.

I agree that they're usable, and that also you're not buying it for the cleans, but yeah.

Yeah, it's just annoying when people on this forum go around saying that the clean on 5150 is worthless and not usable at all, when if you know what you're doing - they're completely passable, without pedals

TBH though, with the right setup, the cleans can sound great. Granted, the cleans on the 6505+ are quite a bit better, but still, by most people's standards, aren't that great - but when I had mine, with my PRS, I was getting some pretty great sounds out of the clean and crunch channel with the Dragon II pickups
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#38
yeah.

also, regarding the price, they're a lot more expensive here than in the US, a 6505 head will set you back the guts of £1000 here.
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#39
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yeah.

also, regarding the price, they're a lot more expensive here than in the US, a 6505 head will set you back the guts of £1000 here.

True, not an amp I would buy outside of the US, same with Mesa
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#40
yeah mesa's even worse here
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