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#1
Whats the liberal approach on immigration? Is it to accommodate immigrants as much as they can, even illegal ones?
#2
Smoke some weed, accept some immigrants.
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#3
It's more of weed out the bad ones, and allow gradual assimilation into the culture.
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Yes. Here in California we have some bullshit program where illegal immigrants get free-ride scholarships to state schools. Meanwhile, lifetime residents of the state have to get loans or work hard for scholarships. Or so I've heard.

Also, lefties seem to think it's wrong to expect them to learn English; rather, the whole US should be multilingual to accommodate immigrants.
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#5
Define "liberal" and the country you're applying it too.
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Yes. Here in California we have some bullshit program where illegal immigrants get free-ride scholarships to state schools. Meanwhile, lifetime residents of the state have to get loans or work hard for scholarships. Or so I've heard.

Also, lefties seem to think it's wrong to expect them to learn English; rather, the whole US should be multilingual to accommodate immigrants.



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If you're talking the US, the current Liberal approach is to grant every damn illegal immigrant amnesty. The dems hope they can pass that (research the immigration bills Obama's proposed), and get tons more voters. Of course, it doesn't look like it's working so far...


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I claim that you're trolling. That's actually how it is in some states.
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Ok how would the radical and conservative approach differ from each other?

They don't


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I really really really hope you don't think all 'liberals' think the same thing, and you want to know what that is so you can conform to the 'liberal' viewpoint, or so you know what generalisations to make when attacking liberals and defending your own retarded point of view.
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Ok how would the radical and conservative approach differ from each other?

You think liberals are radicals?
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Ok how would the radical and conservative approach differ from each other?

I think what you mean is the "radical" and "moderate" approach. Basically, the radical approach is to grant them all amnesty and give them a status above the average citizen (exaggeration, but still...). The moderate approach is to ease up on the requirements to become a citizen and to expedite the process.
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I think what you mean is the "radical" and "moderate" approach. Basically, the radical approach is to grant them all amnesty and give them a status above the average citizen (exaggeration, but still...). The moderate approach is to ease up on the requirements to become a citizen and to expedite the process.

Citation needed.

And you've forgotten the Teabag approach, which is to deport em all and build a wall.

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I think we should round 'em all up and put them in camps where we force 'em to make sneakers or something.
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Also, lefties seem to think it's wrong to expect them to learn English; rather, the whole US should be multilingual to accommodate immigrants.


Technically speaking, there is no national language in the US, and the official language is de facto, technically not exactly legal. Personally I'd like it if they spoke English, but they're not really required to in the US. It just makes sense is all.

Anyway, personally, my stance, which I think is the liberal stance on the issue, is that they're here, deporting them costs tax money, and they're just going to try again after they get home, in which case they'll either die or tax the system again. Is it wrong? Yes, but unavoidable unless we either kill them or seal off the US-Mexico border I believe, neither of which are exactly good, to put it lightly.
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Citation needed.

And you've forgotten the Teabag approach, which is to deport em all and build a wall.

It was an exaggeration. I was referring to the various scholarship and welfare programs, as well as other perks, that they seem to want. And the "Teabag" approach is the radical right-wing solution. I was only describing a few left-wing positions. The moderate right wing viewpoint is simply to beef up border security and start enforcing existing immigration laws. Then, like you so nicely put it, the radical right wing solution is to round 'em up and deport them.
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It was an exaggeration. I was referring to the various scholarship and welfare programs, as well as other perks, that they seem to want.

I have a twelve-inch Johnson and five million dollars, and Obama talks to me before he signs anything (a lie, but still...).

Poor people want/need those things. Illegal immigrants are poor. I fail to see how that makes them special for wanting those things. Get legal first, yeah, but how does that make them special?

I also find it strange that you think we aren't enforcing current immigration laws... I dunno how the world works where you live, but I live in a state with no foreign borders and some of the toughest immigration laws on the books. The idea of immigration laws just being ignored is a bit alien to me. Halp?

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I have a twelve-inch Johnson and five million dollars, and Obama talks to me before he signs anything (a lie, but still...).

Poor people want/need those things. Illegal immigrants are poor. I fail to see how that makes them special for wanting those things. Get legal first, yeah, but how does that make them special?

Well, like the scholarship program that gives full ride scholarships to illegals. I would love to get a hold of that, but I guess states don't give a shit about lifetime residents, only the n00b citizens.
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Whats the liberal approach on immigration? Is it to accommodate immigrants as much as they can, even illegal ones?

yep. sounds ****in stupid right? if we just let all the illegals into our country to escape their shit hole countries it will turn our country into a shit hole...
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yep. sounds ****in stupid right? if we just let all the illegals into our country to escape their shit hole countries it will turn our country into a shit hole...
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yep. sounds ****in stupid right? if we just let all the illegals into our country to escape their shit hole countries it will turn our country into a shit hole...

Their countries are a "shit hole" because of you, like it or not. Also, what he said ^.
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I'm leniant on illegals as long as they are hard working and don't break laws (other than the ones they broke by being here). They shouldn't get certain types of benefits that they get though before one of our citizens who need them though
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Actually he does have a valid point in there somewhere. In an ideal world there would be no such thing as a country and we'd all live together in harmony and hapiness. Sadly, countries do exist and if people were just allowed to flood into whichever country they liked it would cause all kinds of chaos to the processes that maintain the country.
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Their countries are a "shit hole" because of you, like it or not. Also, what he said ^.

While I'll agree with "what he said" I'll disagree with the shitholes being our fault.
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yep. sounds ****in stupid right? if we just let all the illegals into our country to escape their shit hole countries it will turn our country into a shit hole...

He's right, just look at what happened in america when the native americans opened up their borders a few hundred years ago.
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Actually he does have a valid point in there somewhere. In an ideal world there would be no such thing as a country and we'd all live together in harmony and hapiness. Sadly, countries do exist and if people were just allowed to flood into whichever country they liked it would cause all kinds of chaos to the processes that maintain the country.
The reason they "flood" into our country is because we allow corporations/businesses to pay them abysmal wages for their labor. If we make them be treated fairly the demand for their labor would go down and everything works out.
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yep. sounds ****in stupid right? if we just let all the illegals into our country to escape their shit hole countries it will turn our country into a shit hole...

This. Because my great-grandfather did not travel across 4,000 miles of the Atlantic ocean to see this country overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland.
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This. Because my great-grandfather did not travel across 4,000 miles of the Atlantic ocean to see this country overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland.

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The process of becoming a citizen is probably such a headfuck. I have 2 distant cousins (they're brothers) who have lived in this country since they were babies. All their memories are here, all their family are here. This country is their home. Yet, they're illegal. They've been trying to get legal residence forever. I don't know the details of their situation but it's definitely ****ed up.