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#1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_dui_murders

So, apparently, if you drive drunk now and kill someone, juries in the USA are charging those convicted with 2nd degree murder. Before it was a "simple" manslaughter charge.

What does the Pit think? Is this warranted? Why or why not?

Edit: Here's the definition of 2nd degree murder in the US. Note that there are actually two definitions commonly used, and which definition is applied in court depends on which state you're charged in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees_of_murder_in_the_United_States
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#4
If it discourages drunk driving then its fair enough
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#6
Whats the sentance for 2nd degree murder?
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#8
Seems fair enough to be honest, it is more malicious than simply manslaughter and is being used on people with multiple offences, although that article is terrible really.


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#9
Good. People that drive drunk are ****ing idiots.
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Seems fair enough to be honest, it is more malicious than simply manslaughter and is being used on people with multiple offences, although that article is terrible really.


The band Brand New wrote a song about that.


That song is one of my favorite Brand New songs. It goes so deep man, the emotion's almost palpable. Especially the lyrics right before the guitar solo at the end.

Also, I agree with the change of rulings.
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#12
Well, I think the punishment fits the crime for sure, but I don't see it as murder, really. It's involuntary manslaughter by definition. Just don't drive drunk. /facepalm
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#14
Sounds good. You should get a harsh sentence for drink driving no matter what. Unless you were taking someone to the hospital as the would die otherwise and there was no other way. But if you killed someone on the way, I dunno what will happen. Probably a reduced sentence.
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You drive drunk and kill someone you deserve it. Simple as that.
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Simple solution, just get drunk and beat someone to death for no reason.

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You drive drunk and kill someone you deserve it. Simple as that.

this.

i don't see why they don't make it illegal to drive with any alcohol in your system, they're just enabling people to say 'ahh i'm alright'.
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#19
Too bad the article just says that it's a trend.

Which means you're likely to get charged for it.


If you have multiple DUIs.


And you've killed multiple people.


So basically it's pretty useless. Anyone who has killed multiple people on different occasions should not keep getting second chances.
#20
So basically it's pretty useless. Anyone who has killed multiple people on different occasions should not keep getting second chances.


No second chances if ive killed multiple people on different occasions.
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this.

i don't see why they don't make it illegal to drive with any alcohol in your system, they're just enabling people to say 'ahh i'm alright'.

I don't either. I don't see any benefits of having ANY alcohol in your system.
#22
Sounds good to me

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#24
The old system wasn't stopping drunk drivers. This seems like a good idea. I thought they already did that though.
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Sounds good to me


Getting drunk is one of them

EDIT: Also a small amount thins your blood slightly making it easier for your heart to pump, the more you know!

sorry, I meant: "no point in being allowed to have any alcohol in your system while driving"

Alcohol without driving? Fine by me. Just not inside several thousand pounds of machinery.
#27
Fine by me, I am sick and tired of seeing these multiple DUI charges
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#28
Good - the penalty ought to be stiff. If you kill someone that way its a senseless loss of life and incrediblely preventable.
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I think if they drive while drunk and kill someone they should be charged with 1st degree murder.

Would never hold up in court, one of the requirements for 1stt degree murder is "laying in wait."
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I don't either. I don't see any benefits of having ANY alcohol in your system.

The ability to go out and have one drink with friends before going home, being able to have a glass of wine with dinner etc. Under 0.05% BAC isn't going to impair a person.

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The old system wasn't stopping drunk drivers. This seems like a good idea. I thought they already did that though.

If they want to stop drunk drivers though they need to have more enforcement. For deterrence you can't just have a high penalty, there needs to be a real risk of being caught.
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The ability to go out and have one drink with friends before going home, being able to have a glass of wine with dinner etc. Under 0.05% BAC isn't going to impair a person.

That's why you have desig. drivers, or use public transportation, or just walk. I don't see why you have to have alcohol and then drive a ca-- oh wait, you're Irish. Yeah, figures you wouldn't share the opinion
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That's why you have desig. drivers, or use public transportation, or just walk. I don't see why you have to have alcohol and then drive a ca-- oh wait, you're Irish. Yeah, figures you wouldn't share the opinion

You don't have to but for many older rural people the ability to at least have one pint is good. they're old, they value independence and public transport infrastructure isn't there, I see no problem with allowing them to have an amount of alcohol that is below the threshold dose anyway. Same goes for wine with meals, coke just doesn't complement fish quite as well.
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You don't have to but for many older rural people the ability to at least have one pint is good. they're old, they value independence and public transport infrastructure isn't there, I see no problem with allowing them to have an amount of alcohol that is below the threshold dose anyway. Same goes for wine with meals, coke just doesn't complement fish quite as well.

+1. I don't want to have to bother my friends or call a cab because I had a single beer with my dinner.
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You don't have to but for many older rural people the ability to at least have one pint is good. they're old, they value independence and public transport infrastructure isn't there, I see no problem with allowing them to have an amount of alcohol that is below the threshold dose anyway. Same goes for wine with meals, coke just doesn't complement fish quite as well.

the difference lies for me with age. If some old dudes wanna go and have a pint out in the country or whatever, that's fine by me, too, because they're old and mature enough to know when to stop, and not to drink more than they're safely able to.

Teenagers and young adults, however, shouldn't have such luxuries, as far too many are far too immature. I've witnessed to many guys my age go "I really shouldn't.. but I'm fine, so I guess I can have 2 more pints/shots/whatever" for me to trust people my own age. Over here in Germany, there's already a 18 month period after you first get your license where you are not allowed to have any alcohol in your system, but I find 18 months far too little, and the punishments for breaking these rules far too lenient.
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So, are they going to change the definition of murder while they're at it? Or just group drunk driving in with "premeditated killing"?
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#38
Sounds like a fair idea to me. Whatever helps prevent people from driving drunk is a good thing in my opinion.
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So, are they going to change the definition of murder while they're at it? Or just group drunk driving in with "premeditated killing"?

In the US, there are two ways to define 2nd degree murder.

The first is thus:
Second Degree Murder: Homicide committed by an individual engaged as a principal or an accomplice in the perpetration of a felony.
Under this definition, since the act of driving a vehicle while drunk is a felony, it can be called 2nd degree murder.

The second is thus:
Second Degree Murder: Any premeditated murder or felony murder that does not involve special circumstances.
So, under this definition, killing someone while driving drunk isn't 2nd degree murder.


The distinction depends on what state you're charged in. You can check the link here look into that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees_of_murder_in_the_United_States.

Edit: I do apologize; I should have posted at least the link in the OP. I'll throw that in now.
#40
no, this is kinda dumb. it wont do anything to deter drunk driving, it just puts more people in jail for a longer period of time. the politicians just go along with it because it sounds and looks good in their political history, and it will appease a good amount of voters as drunk driving is demonized by society.

all its going to do is cost us more money in incarceration fees, it will not save any lives.
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