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#1
Hello everyone.
I'm assuming if you've come to this thread you either like Explorers, or hate Explorers.
Haters get out now.

Now that's over with, get business to we shall.


^That's what I hope to come out with when it's done.

I'm gonna do some fancy titles and stuff, to make this thread seem more... un-thready. Seriously, why's it called a thread anyways?

The Plan
Build a Gibson Explorer Neck and Body, using all Mahogany(Hopefully).

Body
The body will be Mahogany. The cheapest price I can find(Budget ).
The figuring on the body, well... I don't want the wood to be purdy 'cause if it is I know I will not be able to paint over it.
That'd be worse than manslaughter.
The body is being cut out on the CNC Machine at school.
I have all the plans drawn up in AutoCAD, I just need to put them into MasterCAM(router program) and set up the toolpaths and the body is cut. Also need to buy wood and glue it up first.

Neck
The neck will be Mahogany. My original plan was to have it be a neck-through, but since I am using the CNC for the body, that's hard to work around.
Neck will be Scarf-Jointed, and have a Rosewood Fretboard(58'Specs)
Headstock will be the normal "Banana" shape.
24 frets. Bone Nut.

Electronics
Wiring plan is:
1 Volume
2 Tones
Bottom tone is Push/Pull for Bridge pickup coil split.

Pickups
Pickups will both be GFS, unless I decide to go for one of the Dragonfire EMGs.
Currently, I'm planning on having-
Bridge:GFS Power Rails
Neck: GFS Vintage Extra Hot(Frankenstrat pup replica)

Bridge:
Tune-O-Matic Style Bridge.
-Wilkinson Brass Roller Bridge
-Chrome Stop Tailpiece

Tuners
Locking Gotoh Style Tuners(Will be upgraded to Grovers when the money comes around)

Everything Else
-Chrome Output Plate(Oval Shaped)
-Black "Speed" Knobs
-Black Staggered Pickup Rings
-White Pickguard Sheet
-Schaller Strap Locks
-Everything else I forgot

Progress Report:
10% Complete
Because I got the CAD Files done, majority of the planning done.

I will try to get on a school computer and get my CAD plans for the Explorer to share with people, in case they wish to use them. I don't know how accurate it is though. If it works for me, it should work for you.

So it's pretty late now, Gonna stop with the typing stuff now.

SCROLL DOWN TO SEE SOME SEXY WOOD
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Last edited by timbit2006 at Oct 13, 2010,
#2
I got my first question as well.
It's about the TOM bridges.

I read somewhere that you need to have the neck at an angle for some reason in order to use a TOM bridge, or Floyd Rose or anything of the kind.
Could someone Clarify/Explain?

Thanks.

P.S. The build will have lots of pictures.

Oh shit, forgot to add.
Got the truss rod already. It's a hot-rod Dual Action truss-rod

Just thought of another question.
When building the neck, The part where you're gluing the Fretboard to the Neck.
Since I am getting a Pre-slotted Fretboard, would I cut the fretboard to the right size first?
Stew-Macs are bigger than they need to be for a 6-string(I think they work for 8 strings )

Also, Total budget for the build is $500. $400 if I have my way with it. I'm estimating total cost at around $375 depending on what I can buy the wood for and shipping costs.
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Last edited by timbit2006 at Oct 1, 2010,
#4
Quote by Explorerbuilder
you need a neck angle with a TOM bridge because the bridge sits so high. If you dont, your action will be unplayable.

do you have to put a pickguard on it?


Unless you recess that puppy. Also is this going to be another metal themed explorer or an awesome vintage style one?
#7
Quote by LeviMan_2001
Unless you recess that puppy. Also is this going to be another metal themed explorer or an awesome vintage style one?


I wanted to do a 58' Explorer Replica, but it seems I cannot do that now, because of the picture I used to get my CAD drawings done. Don't feel like re-doing everything now, so It'll be the 70s shape but 58' everything else.
Body is a replica I mean. Pickups are gonna be way different.

@ExplorerBuilder
Thanks for the info. In both my threads.
And, it will have a pickguard. I don't really like Explorers without them, and I'd have to do a top on it.

@Salgala
Now that you've reminded me, both pickups will have coil-splitting on them.
And, I do realize the Dragonfires cannot be split.
EMG 89s can be split though, but that's way out of my budget.


I kinda got a price for the wood. It's gonna be roughly $100 for the Neck and Body.
That's providing it's $10/Board Foot. The body and neck wood together is 10.44 Board feet.
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#9
Quote by Explorerbuilder
You wouldnt have to do a top, you could rout it from the back. But ok, its your build


You'd need to do a top, or have one hell of a long drill bit to reach the Pup Switch on the upper horn.
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#11
Quote by Explorerbuilder
Thats why you go from teh switch cavity to the neck pickup cavity instead of all the way to the control cavity. Or just not put the switch in such a stupid spot anyway, haha.


It's still going to be one hell of a long drill bit needed though.
I have a concrete bit that's big enough, but... My guitar won't be made out of concrete.
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#13
I'm in school now. Half asleep
But, Bitching aside...
I need the dimensions of the Explorers neck pocket.
Preferably the one with Radiuses, so the neck pocket isn't so square.
Thanks. Gottagetoff before the teacher catches me.
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#14
Quote by timbit2006
I kinda got a price for the wood. It's gonna be roughly $100 for the Neck and Body. That's providing it's $10/Board Foot. The body and neck wood together is 10.44 Board feet.

Good lord, where are you getting your wood? African Mahogany is like $7 and change a board foot here, I think I paid like $90 for my 2" x 8" x 10' plank.

I'm excited to see this build, I'm a huge Explorer fan.
Chain:
Fingers -> Schecter Damien FR -> Fulltone OCD -> ABY Box -> Bugera V22 / Peavey 6505+
#15
*stickied*

I'll be following this, since I'm hoping to build an Explorer body shape sometime soon.
Call me Andrew. It's my name.

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#16
You're probably set on actives, but I have a set of guitarheads hex 7s, and I think they sound better through my peavey 6505 combo than my hellraiser with emg 81/85s, just as clear, but more alive sounding. I'd go with hexbuckers for anything, and they're splittable.

Also, check eBay for used emgs. I got a set of used 81/85s once for $100 and they work great. I'd imagine the splittable 81tw/89s would be available if you keep an eye out.
#17
Quote by W4RP1G
You're probably set on actives, but I have a set of guitarheads hex 7s, and I think they sound better through my peavey 6505 combo than my hellraiser with emg 81/85s, just as clear, but more alive sounding. I'd go with hexbuckers for anything, and they're splittable.

Also, check eBay for used emgs. I got a set of used 81/85s once for $100 and they work great. I'd imagine the splittable 81tw/89s would be available if you keep an eye out.


I completely forgot about used pickups
I'll check on their periodically to see what I can find.
But, I'm not really set on EMGs though.
I don't think I ever was.

I'm putting in passives 'cause they are way cheaper, and passives can sound way better than EMGs. But I do really like the Actives into a good Tube Amp. Throw on some overdrive, pure sex.

But, I still need my question answered.
What are the Neck pocket dimensions?
Anyone got these?

Also, maybe a full body plan with dimensions would be helpful, just for reference.
I Googled, and gave up after searching through 20 pages of Google.
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#18
Bad news for the projects speed:
Won't be getting the sexy wood today. Reimer Hardwoods(The only place that I can get hardwood from) closes at 4:00. So tomorrow, I'm going to have to skip out on school for a bit then get the wood then.
Seriously, 4:00 closing?
Where's their business sense.

I'm probably now going to do a top on this guitar, because full Mahogany is lots of cash(Which I have very little)
I might do an Alder body, with Mahogany top because I love the tone of my BC Rich(Which is Alder)
I'm going to have to read through the Tonewood thread, and find something that's pretty dark sounding(Warm).
Maybe Black Walnut?
Neck is still Mahogany. Need to do a lot of work tonight figuring things out. I know the basis of building a neck(Thanks Carousel for your tutorial) but I need something more specific to a Gibson. With the neck angle and everything. Off to Youtube with me!

The CAD files are 100% Complete, and now I'm working on the MasterCAM part(CNC Router program)

Well, my virus scan is asking for me to upgrade it, so I will do that. Says I gotta get off the interpornviewer.
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#19
I just realized. I have no Idea how much wood I need to buy!
Can someone please go and measure their Explorer's neck?

I'm definately getting the wood tomorrow after school. My Dad is going to pick me up from school, and I wont take the school bus(Otherwise I'd be home after 4:00).
So, I think I'm gonna do this all Mahogany. 100% Hopefully.
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#20
PICTURES OF SAID SEXY WOOD

I got the wood today.
It is a very sexy Mahogany wood.
It is super sex.








It costed $67.20
I think it's gonna be worth the price.

It's gonna be a tight fit. Not a lot of lee-way.
Gotta make my cuts exact, otherwise I might have to buy another piece for the neck.
It's 2" thick, and 42"Long and 10" Wide.
I got a bit less than 3" for the neck width, which is fine. I only need a max of about 2-1/2"

Body is gonna be 1-9/16" unless someone corrects me on this(Got the measurement off the interweb)
I'm gonna get everything planed and cut tomorrow. Probably wont be able to get it glued because of the damn 3/4 school day. Every class is shortened about 20-30 Mins(Cant remember exact time)

Fretboard will be Ebony. I'm getting the Pre-slotted one from Stew-Mac, because I don't have the patience, or money right now to but all the tools needed and do it.
Ordering my Stew-mac stuff tonight, because the Fretboard is needed to start shaping the neck.
Inlays will be MOP Inlays. And I have no idea where I'm getting the fret markers from(Couldn't find 'em on Stew-Mac)
Also getting the Pickguard material as well. Gonna have to play around in Kisekae to figure out pickguard colour.
The finish will be just a Clear Coat, because I didn't pay 70 bucks for something to cover it up. And it also, in my books is the same as manslaughter.
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#22
Quote by timbit2006
PICTURES OF SAID SEXY WOOD

I got the wood today.
It is a very sexy Mahogany wood.
It is super sex.








It costed $67.20
I think it's gonna be worth the price.

It's gonna be a tight fit. Not a lot of lee-way.
Gotta make my cuts exact, otherwise I might have to buy another piece for the neck.
It's 2" thick, and 42"Long and 10" Wide.
I got a bit less than 3" for the neck width, which is fine. I only need a max of about 2-1/2"

Body is gonna be 1-9/16" unless someone corrects me on this(Got the measurement off the interweb)
I'm gonna get everything planed and cut tomorrow. Probably wont be able to get it glued because of the damn 3/4 school day. Every class is shortened about 20-30 Mins(Cant remember exact time)

Fretboard will be Ebony. I'm getting the Pre-slotted one from Stew-Mac, because I don't have the patience, or money right now to but all the tools needed and do it.
Ordering my Stew-mac stuff tonight, because the Fretboard is needed to start shaping the neck.
Inlays will be MOP Inlays. And I have no idea where I'm getting the fret markers from(Couldn't find 'em on Stew-Mac)
Also getting the Pickguard material as well. Gonna have to play around in Kisekae to figure out pickguard colour.
The finish will be just a Clear Coat, because I didn't pay 70 bucks for something to cover it up. And it also, in my books is the same as manslaughter.


I quoted my own post because it was the last post on a page. No fun. Nobody really sees the pictures.

@Explorerbuilder:
I have already said in my post that I can get it to be 2-piece and also get a neck out of it. And have some spare leftover.
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#25
Quote by Explorerbuilder
And what kind of inlays are you looking for?


I'm gonna do MOP Dot inlays on it. Fret Markers will be MOP as well.

I completely forgot to order from Stew-Mac tonight...
I was so busy, and it completely slipped my mind.
But, there's always tomorrow night. Parents are sleeping now, and I don't have a credit card, or paypal.
Taking the wood to school tomorrow, and cutting everything and planing and jointing. That'll be all for tomorrow untill Monday.
I'm gonna ask the teacher If I can keep all my wood in his office, 'cause people like to steal sexy wood. Especially since I actually paid for my wood(3/4 of the class didn't even pay)
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#27
Quote by Explorerbuilder


Yeah, I know about those ones. I'm getting them for the Fretboard inlays.
But, they are too big to be a Fret Marker for the side of the fretboard.
5/32" is too big I think for a side dot.

EDIT:
The fret markers they have are ridiculously expensive. I think they're real pearl or something.

EDITx2:
I just realized how easily I can misinterpret information...
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Inlay,_pearl/Pre-cut_inlays/Pre-cut_Side_Dots.html
I thought those were $5.31 per inlay each... I just read the for 10 part.
Well, that's one problem solved.
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Last edited by timbit2006 at Oct 14, 2010,
#28
If you wanted to do a cheaper version, as no one really sees the side dots:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bindings,_trim/Trim:_Side_dots/Plastic_Side_Dot_Material.html?actn=100101&xst=3&xsr=919


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#29
Quote by MonkeyLink07
If you wanted to do a cheaper version, as no one really sees the side dots:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bindings,_trim/Trim:_Side_dots/Plastic_Side_Dot_Material.html?actn=100101&xst=3&xsr=919


I do.
But, the audience usually doesn't, but I don't build guitars for the audience. I build them for me.
It's only 5 bucks for 10 of the MOP ones, so that's not really much at all.

There is a possibility I might have to 3-piece the body, because of the wood lost in preparing the wood. I lost about 1/4" from my original wood, because one of the sides was curved. I had to Rip-cut it on the tablesaw, after jointing the other side of course.
But, my dimensions allowed for some lee-way. The actual design is exact, but I just added a bit on each side, so I have some room to work with. I could probably get about ~1" more room.

EDIT: When all the CNC stuff is done, I'll put the template I used on the interwebs(How to do that?).
I found that when doing this, it is extremely hard to find any templates for a Gibson Explorer.
I'll also put on all the dimensions of stuff and turn it into a .JPEG image for those who do not have access to a CAD Program.
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Last edited by timbit2006 at Oct 14, 2010,
#31
Quote by Explorerbuilder
? hard to find a template for an Explorer?... no so much. Its actually teh easiest to find. Guitarbuildingtemplates.com has one, and there are liek 4 different sellers on ebay that have htem.


Free is what I meant. No way in hell I'm gonna pay 50 bucks for a template, when I can make one that's just as accurate.
I got an ESP Explorer template, but that's not the same.
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#33
I didn't mean that I have a real copy of it.
I got the Digital AutoCAD files for it.
Virtual trade?
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#35
I've got a whole folder full of templates if you want them.
Half of them are in .JPEG Format.
I think hat to use most of them, it's scale it up 100%in paint. Then print.
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#36
Little off-topic here timbit, but do you happen to have Ibanez Iceman templates?
#37
Quote by Dengeki_
Little off-topic here timbit, but do you happen to have Ibanez Iceman templates?

I just looked, and I do.
I'll send you the whole templates folder, 'cause they're useful to have.
Just check in MetalWarriors template thread(Searchbar needed)
So, PM Me your e-mail address and they will be sent.

EDIT:
Found the Ultimate template thread link.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=980512&highlight=template+thread
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Last edited by timbit2006 at Oct 15, 2010,
#38
30 bucks for shipping. Holy shit that's alot.
It's express though.
FedEx Express Air is only 10 dollars more than regular though.
Normal is 1-4 weeks
Express is 2-3 days(Last ime I ordered express from StewMac it came the next day )

The order is the Tuners, Ebony fretboard, Nut, Mini Files(For nut), MOP Dot inlays, MOP Fret Markers, and some other stuff that I forgot about.
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#39
When youse guyses talk about ESP Explorer, do you mean their actual Explorer shape that they used for the JH signatures, or the EX shape?
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