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#1
Since today, our government has introduced a new test against drugs (specifically marihuana and cocaine) in traffic by checking the saliva of the driver.
That's all really wonderful, except that this test will be positive when you have taken one of said drugs 12 hours before the test.
That's what's so bullshit about it: you can go to a party and smoke a few joints, get a good night sleep, go for a drive in the morning and still test positive and be charged a fine of 1.100 up to 11.000 euros and get your license revoked for up to 5 years.

I'd like to know what you think about this.
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#2
Honestly, I think the classic roadside sobriety tests are the best way to test drivers, still. They're the only methods that actually test the person's reflexes and ability to function.
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#3
Don't get pulled over then.

Edit^: You can still nail the field sobriety test with flying colors and get booked for DUI/DWI. They're still going to check your blood alcohol level and such with a breathalyzer.
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#4
Wait, so doing something illegal gets you into trouble!?!??!
Oh my god, I thought that it was the other way around.
#5
Well, if you're driving badly enough that you're stopped and not being affected by the drugs you took then you probably shouldn't be driving anyway.

Are those drugs legal/decriminalized in Belgium? because I think that legalising all drugs whilst preventing the dangers of a person being intoxicated by said drug is the best possible system for dealing with drugs - well done Belgium if so.

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#6
They already have this type of thing here in Australia.

I don't see what's wrong with it? Just the same as breath testing.


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Wait, so doing something illegal gets you into trouble!?!??!
Oh my god, I thought that it was the other way around.

Only in Soviet Russia.


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Honestly, I think the classic roadside sobriety tests are the best way to test drivers, still. They're the only methods that actually test the person's reflexes and ability to function.


Drink driving is more about your decision making and ability to focus than your reflexes.
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They already have this type of thing here in Australia.

I don't see what's wrong with it? Just the same as breath testing.

Well no, it's different in that you can test positive despite being sober, that's bad.
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#10
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Well no, it's different in that you can test positive despite being sober, that's bad.


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#11



Seriously, TS, here's the damn thing. Grow up. Don't smoke weed or do coke. It saves you money, saves you brain cells, and saves you time.

And don't give me this crap about how weed isn't harmful. Tell that to my buddy whose mom smoked weed for years and then had a brain aneurism; as I understand it, his mom can barely do anything these days. Tell that to the lady who smoked weed for 20 years and now has moments where she just can't think. Weed kills brain cells!

You can't even argue coke doesn't kill your brain...
Last edited by crazysam23_Atax at Oct 1, 2010,
#13
I thought this thread was not about drugs being good or bad but about the test...

I personally think it's stupid, the technology obviously isn't good enough, I heard on the radio that 20% of the times the test gives a wrong result... Which is alot :|

BUT, if the technology was well developed, I think this would be a positive thing...
#15
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Don't smoke weed or do coke. It saves you money, saves you brain cells, and saves you time.

And don't give me this crap about how weed isn't harmful. Tell that to my buddy whose mom smoked weed for years and then had a brain aneurism; as I understand it, his mom can barely do anything these days. Tell that to the lady who smoked weed for 20 years and now has moments where she just can't think. Weed kills brain cells!

You can't even argue coke doesn't kill your brain...


I don't do coke and I never will, don't worry. I'm not gonna argue about the harmfulness of weed, I'm sure it's not good for you but that's for everyone personally to decide. For me it's just a minor downside to having a good time in college and parties.

However I just wanted to point out the flaws in this test and wanted to see if anyone agreed with me.
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#16
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Well no, it's different in that you can test positive despite being sober, that's bad.

But you've still done something illegal (taking drugs) therefore you should be punished.

And don't hate on me you Drug Thread hippies.


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hurr durr don't smoke weed


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Hypocrite.


Edit: for the sake of the thread...
TS...i think they've got the right idea.
They should follow the law by spirit though....not by the letter.
IF you seem sober, they should let you off.
However, if it DOES affect your driving, there should be consequences.
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#18
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You should either not do drugs, or don't get pulled over, simple as that



Ever heard of random checks? ............
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#19
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But you've still done something illegal (taking drugs) therefore you should be punished.

And don't hate on me you Drug Thread hippies.

Nope as doing something illegal =/= doing something wrong.
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#20
Goodness me, the government is checking to see if people are taking drugs. It's almost as if it thought they're illegal.
#22
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And don't give me this crap about how weed isn't harmful. Tell that to my buddy whose mom smoked weed for years and then had a brain aneurism; as I understand it, his mom can barely do anything these days. Tell that to the lady who smoked weed for 20 years and now has moments where she just can't think. Weed kills brain cells!

You can't even argue coke doesn't kill your brain...


The ONLY study that weed kills brain cells was done on monkeys who were receiving pure smoke through gas masks, suffocating them. They received something like 60 joints worth of smoke in 5 minutes. That is where the "weed kills brain cells" idea started, and its sad how people still believe it.

Genetically Modified corn was proven to increase chances of organ damage. So if I grow up and have a brain aneurysm, I can blame nachos.
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#23
EDIT: Zombee, mind showing me a link to that? I'd really love to see.

I see the major problem with this, but is it really going to be a problem? I mean, they might be able to tell how much you've smoked and how recently which could make this something I have a lesser problem with

Apologises if this isn't the case.
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And don't give me this crap about how weed isn't harmful. Tell that to my buddy whose mom smoked weed for years and then had a brain aneurism; as I understand it, his mom can barely do anything these days. Tell that to the lady who smoked weed for 20 years and now has moments where she just can't think. Weed kills brain cells!

Yeah, it's horrible. My Nan drank coca-cola her entire life and she now has cancer. DOWN WITH COCA COLA.
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Yeah, it's horrible. My Nan drank coca-cola her entire life and she now has cancer. DOWN WITH COCA COLA.


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#25
Yes it's flawed. But the fact that you're doing something illegal is perfectly fine. If you get caught with weed in your system, it's illegal. How is that unfair? Weed is illegal. It's as simple as that.

Do I have to spell it out to you so that you understand this very basic concept?
#26
Just don't smoke. There's no need to use drugs or alcohol to have fun at a party.
#27
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Well no, it's different in that you can test positive despite being sober, that's bad.


+1

I mean, what if you entered a room full of pot smokers, then left? It would mean that 12 hours later, you could in theory be positive, even though you never took anything.

Heck, if the same test was done for alcohol with a similar thing [even though it's obviously not possible, but just pretend with me], people who drank a small amount the night before [therefore fine in the morning to drive.] who be found positive.
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#29
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Just don't smoke. There's no need to use drugs or alcohol to have fun at a party.

There's no need to go to parties either if we follow that logic.
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Yes it's flawed. But the fact that you're doing something illegal is perfectly fine.
In this case it is. Just because it's illegal doesn't make it right that it's illegal.
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#31
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Just because it shouldn't be illegal doesn't mean we can ignore it.

Hey, if being fined and jailed is on your to-do list then why not?
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#32
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Just because it shouldn't be illegal doesn't mean we can ignore it.


Exactly. In real life, whether you agree with the law or not, you either abide, or get punished.
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#33
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Exactly. In real life, whether you agree with the law or not, you either abide, or get punished.

That's absolutely not true, laws are not always enforced to the letter or equally.
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#34
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Seriously, TS, here's the damn thing. Grow up. Don't smoke weed or do coke. It saves you money, saves you brain cells, and saves you time.

And don't give me this crap about how weed isn't harmful. Tell that to my buddy whose mom smoked weed for years and then had a brain aneurism; as I understand it, his mom can barely do anything these days. Tell that to the lady who smoked weed for 20 years and now has moments where she just can't think. Weed kills brain cells!

You can't even argue coke doesn't kill your brain...

Correlation doesn't imply causation, M'Kay?

Also, to those saying "Well you shouldn't be doing drugs anyways" kindly stfu.
That's the same principle as "We're going to search your house. If you're innocent, you have nothing to fear."
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#35
I don't think anyone should be driving impaired, but that 12-hour deal is bullshit. There isn't any weed or coke in this world that will keep you fucked up for half a day.
#36
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Correlation doesn't imply causation, M'Kay?

Also, to those saying "Well you shouldn't be doing drugs anyways" kindly stfu.
That's the same principle as "We're going to search your house. If you're innocent, you have nothing to fear."


Uhm, no it's really not. "We are checking to make sure our drivers aren't intoxicated" is not the same as "Well we're going to give you a physical in the middle of the road to make sure you're not a drug mule". Jobs have random drug tests, schools do, etc. They are really not doing anything wrong.

And frankly, the fact that it is in your system does not mean you're fully sober. All it means now is that you have to be more careful.
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Uhm, no it's really not. "We are checking to make sure our drivers aren't intoxicated" is not the same as "Well we're going to give you a physical in the middle of the road to make sure you're not a drug mule". Jobs have random drug tests, schools do, etc. They are really not doing anything wrong.

And frankly, the fact that it is in your system does not mean you're fully sober. All it means now is that you have to be more careful.

They're not checking to make sure you aren't intoxicated, that's not what the test checks. The drugs can still be in one's system but not having any psychoactive effects, which is the case in these tests.
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#38
I don't need any studies to tell me what weed does to a person. Before killing brain cells or whatever, weed makes anyone a lazy fatass. I've seen it repeatedly with many of my friends, and it's all the proof you need. Weed takes the priority in your life and you start making up bs excuses to use it. "It helps me sleep." "It relaxes me." Ffs you don't need a drug to be relaxed. Maybe you wouldn't be so excited if you didn't feel the need for the drug in the first place. It's complete bs. To be able to successfully manage a healthy lifestyle, job (or education studies), and stay active, while smoking weed regularly, is very rare and seldom seen. But, I've seen it and I know it's possible. However that doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of people who smoke weed REGULARLY are lazy fatasses.
#39
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I don't need any studies to tell me what weed does to a person. Before killing brain cells or whatever, weed makes anyone a lazy fatass. I've seen it repeatedly with many of my friends, and it's all the proof you need. Weed takes the priority in your life and you start making up bs excuses to use it. "It helps me sleep." "It relaxes me." Ffs you don't need a drug to be relaxed. Maybe you wouldn't be so excited if you didn't feel the need for the drug in the first place. It's complete bs. To be able to successfully manage a healthy lifestyle, job (or education studies), and stay active, while smoking weed regularly, is very rare and seldom seen. But, I've seen it and I know it's possible. However that doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of people who smoke weed REGULARLY are lazy fatasses.

Ya except that all you have is ignorant generalisations. I've seen heaps of pot users who are successful; pretty much everyone I know in University does it.
We know that it doesn't kill brain cells, that's empirically observable.
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#40
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I don't need any studies to tell me what weed does to a person.

You're right, facts are for pussies.
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Seriously, TS, here's the damn thing. Grow up. Don't smoke weed or do coke. It saves you money, saves you brain cells, and saves you time.

Shut the **** up.
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