#1
Ok, I'm thinking about ordering this amp: http://www.music123.com/Guitars/Guitar-Amplifiers--Effects/Guitar-Amplifiers/Combo-Amps/Solid-State-Combo-Guitar-Amps/Spider-IV-150-150W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp.site7prod620212.product

Spider IV 150w. My question is, do I need 150, or can I get away easily with 75w? My band plays Metal/HardRock with some punk influence and plan on gigging some venues that are the size of most small clubs. I dont really want to be playing with the volume on 2 (with the 150w), but I also dont want to be cranking to 11 (with the 75w) and not being heard if we play a bigger venue or a possible outdoor concert. Also, a local music shop has the 75w in stock but not the 150. Being in Alaska, that would save me shipping plus like $200 for downgrading the wattage.... Any help?

Thanks,

Daniel
Guitars: Epiphone Slash AFD Les Paul, Schecter Omen-6, and Fender CD-60 Acoustic
Amp: Jet City JCA20H with JCA12s cab
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#2
I would get the 150W. It's always nice to be able to use for bigger venues. 75W is a lot as well but I doubt you will be on level 2 with 150 Watts even in small venues unless it's extremely small.
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#4
Okay, well firstly I'd like to mention that you're playing Hard Rock and metal, so you need distortion. You've managed to pick in my opinion probably one of the top 3 worst distortions on the market in an amp at the moment.

Also, you'll need 150 watts if you're gigging. 150 watts sounds a lot, but to be honest in solid state amps it really isn't. If you were getting a solid state tube amp, well then obviously we'd be waving goodbye to your ears but actually in my band I practice at volume 7 on a 120 watt amp. So I'd go for the 150 if you're gigging.
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#5
I understand that it must be hard to get amps in Alaska. But if you can avoid any type of Spider, then do so.

As far as the wattage goes, 150w SS isn't too loud.
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#6
Look into a Peavey Vypyr instead?
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#7
first off look at a better amp, you can get a peavey 6505+ for the same amount and it's miles better
#8
You don't even need 1 watt from a Spider. If you need modeling, buy a Vypyr 60.
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#9
You guys must be crazy. I run my amp at about 5 and it's a 75w solid state, it leaves my ears throbbing after the session...

How are you not all deaf? Or is that why you have to run them so loud? XD
#10
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Okay, well firstly I'd like to mention that you're playing Hard Rock and metal, so you need distortion. You've managed to pick in my opinion probably one of the top 3 worst distortions on the market in an amp at the moment.


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I understand that it must be hard to get amps in Alaska. But if you can avoid any type of Spider, then do so.


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Look into a Peavey Vypyr instead?


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first off look at a better amp, you can get a peavey 6505+ for the same amount and it's miles better


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You don't even need 1 watt from a Spider. If you need modeling, buy a Vypyr 60.



Man, you guys were all on it. Listen to them. I wouldn't recommend a Spider either. Seems like a childs amplifier.

I also agree with the Vypyr, you may like it instead. Check it out. It's also in between the wattages you were debating on. Meet em in the middle lol.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Vypyr-100-100W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp-104922885-i1413608.gc
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#11
I think you actually need more if your getting a spider.
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#12
Dude, there are better quality of amps that will kick the spider to the crub in terms of tone for $500.

just off the top of my head:
Jet City JCA20
Peavey Valveking
Bugera V22 with a boost

Or, save up another $100 and get a Peavey 6505+ or a Blackstar HT20 combo.
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#13
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#14
150 watts on a SPIDER'S solid state isn't a lot. Roland JC-120's are ridiculously loud and they are 120 SS watts.


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Dude, there are better quality of amps that will kick the spider to the crub in terms of tone for $500.

just off the top of my head:
Jet City JCA20
Peavey Valveking
Bugera V22 with a boost

Or, save up another $100 and get a Peavey 6505+ or a Blackstar HT20 combo.


This +100
#15
Punkrokkboi please respond. I want to make sure we save you from eternal Spider damnation before I sleep. :L Seriously christ, that's a lot of Spider haters. And with good reason. Seriously, trust us.

I'd also like to say I WOULDN'T go for a Vypr. It's a good enough amp, but for that price range you can do better. For example, the Peavey 6505 for a little more. I actually saw one of those amps grow limbs and club a Spider to death one time. Seriously.
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#16
Ok, I see alot of people arent recommending the Spider, so I'll just go with something else. how about a good Marshall? Could anyone recommend me one? I'm kind of nervous to commit to a sound that's too "metal" but I still want to get that sound. I also kind of want to go with a more popular brand (I've never even heard of BlackStar? lol). Thanks for the input.
Guitars: Epiphone Slash AFD Les Paul, Schecter Omen-6, and Fender CD-60 Acoustic
Amp: Jet City JCA20H with JCA12s cab
Pedalboard: Crybaby Classic, Boss DS-1, Korg Multi FX, BBE Boosta Grande, Rocktron HUSH Pedal. ProCo Rat.
#17
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Ok, I see alot of people arent recommending the Spider, so I'll just go with something else. how about a good Marshall? Could anyone recommend me one? I'm kind of nervous to commit to a sound that's too "metal" but I still want to get that sound. I also kind of want to go with a more popular brand (I've never even heard of BlackStar? lol). Thanks for the input.

you won't be able to get a good marshall with your budget. look at the amps i suggested to you, listen to clips online, and if you still don't like any of them, then look into used gear.
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#19
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you won't be able to get a good marshall with your budget. look at the amps i suggested to you, listen to clips online, and if you still don't like any of them, then look into used gear.


Just listened to them. I like the tone of the Jet City alot but I'm concerned about two things: Being 20w, wondering if its powerful enough? and also if it's flexible enough to pull off the classic hard rock bluesy tones like early guns n roses and buckcherry but also be able to do more metal type stuff like metallica and avenged sevenfold.

The Peavey I liked also, but not as much as the JC.
Guitars: Epiphone Slash AFD Les Paul, Schecter Omen-6, and Fender CD-60 Acoustic
Amp: Jet City JCA20H with JCA12s cab
Pedalboard: Crybaby Classic, Boss DS-1, Korg Multi FX, BBE Boosta Grande, Rocktron HUSH Pedal. ProCo Rat.
#20
Quote by Punkrokkboi
Just listened to them. I like the tone of the Jet City alot but I'm concerned about two things: Being 20w, wondering if its powerful enough? and also if it's flexible enough to pull off the classic hard rock bluesy tones like early guns n roses and buckcherry but also be able to do more metal type stuff like metallica and avenged sevenfold.

Depends a little on your pups... it won't nail those tones, but with hot pups or a boost in front it does a workable metal sound. It does a far better job at metal than the Spider, for example.

20w of tube is pretty loud. I've used smaller amps in band situations, no problem whatsoever. It's good for small gigs, at large gigs you will want to mic your amp anyway, no matter it's size.
#21
Quote by Punkrokkboi
Just listened to them. I like the tone of the Jet City alot but I'm concerned about two things: Being 20w, wondering if its powerful enough? and also if it's flexible enough to pull off the classic hard rock bluesy tones like early guns n roses and buckcherry but also be able to do more metal type stuff like metallica and avenged sevenfold.

The Peavey I liked also, but not as much as the JC.

It'll easily do metal with a boost and 20 watts is plenty loud for gigging/jamming.
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#22
get the Jet City
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#23
Quote by Jhachey22
It'll easily do metal with a boost and 20 watts is plenty loud for gigging/jamming.


What he said.
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