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#1
I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.


It's giving me quite a hard time though. Not only did I have to resort to looking at a tab to get it to sound right, I'm only at the part and I can't play it to speed.

|-----2-----3-----4-----3-----2-2-----2-----3------5\4---5\4---5\4---|
|-0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1-----0-1---0-1---0-0--3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2---|


And just THAT'S giving me trouble so far....but I feel like it's a drill. Like a chromatic exercise I've never tried before.


So, is Master of Puppets considered an easy song? I'm trying it out because I've never really played anything heavy before.

Oh also, am I supposed to use only downpicking in this song? No alternates?
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#2
your not supposed to do anything play it how you want(mettalica just played it like that)
and its not an easy song at all(easy being somthing a begginer should be able to play
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Quote by Sy_B
I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.


It's giving me quite a hard time though. Not only did I have to resort to looking at a tab to get it to sound right, I'm only at the part and I can't play it to speed.

|-----2-----3-----4-----3-----2-2-----2-----3------5\4---5\4---5\4---|
|-0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1---0-1-----0-1---0-1---0-0--3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2---|


And just THAT'S giving me trouble so far....but I feel like it's a drill. Like a chromatic exercise I've never tried before.


So, is Master of Puppets considered an easy song? I'm trying it out because I've never really played anything heavy before.

Oh also, am I supposed to use only downpicking in this song? No alternates?


People tend to like to do this riff downpicking only. Key is, start very slowly, and work your way up with a metronome. I used to be able to do this riff downpicking only, but my downpicking is utter crap now, so I tend to alternate pick it.

Master of Puppets is considered as a beginner/ intermediate song at most. This riff also makes for a very good warm up exercise
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When was master of puppets considered easy..?

as far as guitar-heavy songs go master of puppets is relatively easy, especially once you begin to compare it to things by satch or vai or malmsteen....
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I find that if I alternate pick it's so much easier and I can mostly play up to speed. But I want to improve my downpicking (so I can be faster with palm muted powerchords) with it so I'm challenging myself to keep playing the entire song only downpicks.

Also, so far it looks like the only tricky part was the one I was stuck at. You're right, it makes for a good warmup.


Only downpicking hurts my hand, what am I doing wrong?
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as far as guitar-heavy songs go master of puppets is relatively easy, especially once you begin to compare it to things by satch or vai or malmsteen....

That still doesn't make it easy.

Master of Puppets isn't "easy" - fact.
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I find that if I alternate pick it's so much easier and I can mostly play up to speed. But I want to improve my downpicking (so I can be faster with palm muted powerchords) with it so I'm challenging myself to keep playing the entire song only downpicks.

Also, so far it looks like the only tricky part was the one I was stuck at. You're right, it makes for a good warmup.


Only downpicking hurts my hand, what am I doing wrong?



Do you mean after a while? I used to get that when I started but now I can downpick at that speed and faster until the cows come home.
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Good to know it should actually be a challenge


Also, yeah, I mean after like about half a minute. My wrist starts to hurt. I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to play through that kind of pain so I stop. I'm too used to just alternate picking.

I can only downpick about 208 bpm quarter notes...
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That still doesn't make it easy.

Master of Puppets isn't "easy" - fact.

maybe I'm getting it confused with a different metalica song but once you learn it it is rather easy (I mean there are plenty of other songs that are still really chalenging even after learning them).... I wouldn't classify it as a beginners song, more of an intermediate song but I would say it is still on the easier side. especially since there are a bunch of beginners that decide they want to learn some crazy song gby dragonforce or btbam, which I would classify as more difficult than puppets.
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maybe I'm getting it confused with a different metalica song but once you learn it it is rather easy (I mean there are plenty of other songs that are still really chalenging even after learning them).... I wouldn't classify it as a beginners song, more of an intermediate song but I would say it is still on the easier side. especially since there are a bunch of beginners that decide they want to learn some crazy song gby dragonforce or btbam, which I would classify as more difficult than puppets.

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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.
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Yes, because metal is the only guitar music out there.

It's not an easy song, period....if I must resort to the asinine obsession with putting numbers on everything then I'd say it's a solid 6/10. Sure, it's not the most complicated song ever written but you need a decent level of competency to play it, in particular that "spider" riff is pretty taxing if you want to downstroke it.

Kum Ba Ya, Chasing Cars, Proud Mary - those are easy songs.
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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.

Thrash metal... Extreme... Wtf? Whatever.

Master of Puppets is definitely easy compared to the majority of metal songs out there, but I wouldn't consider it an easy song... It's not something I'd recommend to someone who's only just started playing.
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Master of puppets aint easy from a metal guitar of view. But it´s easy from a extreme metal guitar view ( thrash metal is counted in as extreme metal ).
Of course there is easier songs , but also alot of more advanced songs.

The Berzerker is extreme metal thrash and extreme are two very different genres.

Anywhoo, i would say that it is difficult to play cleanly. you guys are comparing a rhythm guitar song to the likes of vai and satch - who are predominantly lead.

as a rhythm guitar song, it is reasonably taxing, as downpicking constantly like in MoP makes the hand ache if done too much, and this can make playing sloppy. so, you need a reasonable level of skill and resilience to play the song. and yes, I recommend downpicking it.

difficult rhythm guitar and difficult lead guitar are two entirely different concepts. imo, being an accomplished rhythm player is much, much more important.

I hope this helps OP .
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I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.

It's not easy. It's kind of intermediate. Mostly it requires right hand endurance - nothing that's particularly deep.

In terms of being something every guitarist should know, it's NOT critical. You could easily go through an entire career as a guitarist without ever having a paying customer for MoP or having it called out at a jam.
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I practiced that part to death before I got it right (at least by my standards). Despite what some self-proclaimed experts say, the song isn't by any means easy. Not the most challenging there is, but still.
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When was master of puppets considered easy..?


This songs is Easy for intermediate players. Once you know how to play guitar and you have some good techniques and reversibility going, this is a great, easy song to learn because:

The parts are in a clear order

There are rest parts between the intricate parts, so you go from leads to thrash power chords while maintaining intensity.

As you sit down and work on it, the parts are easy to remember and you improve a lot each time you practice it.

It's a long song, so building endurance is a fantastic byproduct

So, it's not necessarily and easy song, but if you think that you are good enough to learn it, it's a great challenge with loads of playing experience rewards. GOOD LUCK!!
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^Pretty much this. I could play it almost in it's entirety after only a year or so of playing. I couldn't do the solo though, because my guitar didn't have enough frets, and I didn't have the skill to at the time. I might be able to now, I just haven't tried.
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#23
It is soo tempting to just hammer-on that E1 in that riff...

It's not the same thing right??

Also alright I understand it's not a song for beginners now....but I've been playing for about 3 years now and I'm having trouble...I don't consider myself a beginner anymore, but still around the novice range.

I thought I'd practiced alot each day...but it's more like playing the same song and scales over and over ugh. That "practice" didn't help me with this song. I've never tried anything like this "spider riff", or downpicking it all. This song improves on my weaknesses I guess.


Also now that I finally have my guitar back in my possession I'm going to post this playing in the "Halp" thread and see if I'm doing this right.
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It is soo tempting to just hammer-on that E1 in that riff...

It's not the same thing right??

Also alright I understand it's not a song for beginners now....but I've been playing for about 3 years now and I'm having trouble...I don't consider myself a beginner anymore, but still around the novice range.

I thought I'd practiced alot each day...but it's more like playing the same song and scales over and over ugh. That "practice" didn't help me with this song. I've never tried anything like this "spider riff", or downpicking it all. This song improves on my weaknesses I guess.


Also now that I finally have my guitar back in my possession I'm going to post this playing in the "Halp" thread and see if I'm doing this right.

Wait, you didn't have a guitar for an extended period of time? That MIGHT be why it's harder to you now . It's definitely awkward playing MoP at first, yeah, but once you get it down (you don't NEED to all downpick) it's just a matter of endurance until you get to the solo. Then it's technique from there, but yeah. Keep at it!

Also, no, you can't hammer on the first fret in the 0 1 2 0 1 3 0 1 4 0 1 3 0 1 2 2 (you know what I'm talking about) riff .
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Wait, you didn't have a guitar for an extended period of time? That MIGHT be why it's harder to you now . It's definitely awkward playing MoP at first, yeah, but once you get it down (you don't NEED to all downpick) it's just a matter of endurance until you get to the solo. Then it's technique from there, but yeah. Keep at it!

Also, no, you can't hammer on the first fret in the 0 1 2 0 1 3 0 1 4 0 1 3 0 1 2 2 (you know what I'm talking about) riff .



Awww damn. Well yeah I'm trying to all downpick because I figure it'll improve my ability to downpick and endure. Right now I have trouble with fast powerchord palm muting. It's weird, when I down pick like that sometimes my picking hand hurts, sometimes my fretting arm hurts.

"Hurts" being tenses up and feels like it's going to hurt if I keep going.

And yeah, an extended period is just about a week :P I don't think it's that much to matter.
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Awww damn. Well yeah I'm trying to all downpick because I figure it'll improve my ability to downpick and endure. Right now I have trouble with fast powerchord palm muting. It's weird, when I down pick like that sometimes my picking hand hurts, sometimes my fretting arm hurts.

"Hurts" being tenses up and feels like it's going to hurt if I keep going.

And yeah, an extended period is just about a week :P I don't think it's that much to matter.

I don't think I ever had any arm problems downpicking. You should use mostly your wrist, especially at this speed.
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As rhythm part go, i recommend learning others songs first like Creeping Death, Blackened, Through the Never which have similar must-downpicking riffs but with a lower tempo.
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That still doesn't make it easy.

Master of Puppets isn't "easy" - opinion.

Fixed.

It all depends on your perspective and your strengths/ability as a guitar player. I think it's easy, but not everyone does.
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Fixed.

It all depends on your perspective and your strengths/ability as a guitar player. I think it's easy, but not everyone does.

You are wrong, and what the previous poster you quoted said is a fact. It is not an easy song, an easy song is something that a beginner can play. You have to be less biased, just because it is easy for you doesn't apply to everyone. Paul Gilbert can most likely play his songs fairly easily, does that mean his songs are easy? A professional body builder benches 325 pounds easy, but that does that mean benching 250 is child's play? I don't mean to single you out but there's a lot of people on this site that apparently don't remember how hard some of these "easy songs" are when you are first starting out.
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as far as guitar-heavy songs go master of puppets is relatively easy, especially once you begin to compare it to things by satch or vai or malmsteen....

1+ exactly its easy compared to other metal songs
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Not an easy song as you are learning guitar. Sure after you have been playing 8 years, it will be easy, but so will 90% of most songs. I find it perplexing that people compare it to harder songs, they should be compared it to easier songs, thats the difference, as you go from a beginner to intermediate, not the other way around.

Anyone who says they can play it cleanly and in time after only a year is fibbing.
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Not an easy song as you are learning guitar. Sure after you have been playing 8 years, it will be easy, but so will 90% of most songs. I find it perplexing that people compare it to harder songs, they should be compared it to easier songs, thats the difference, as you go from a beginner to intermediate, not the other way around.

Anyone who says they can play it cleanly and in time after only a year is fibbing.


8 years??? This song should be learned in the first year all the way through at speed. If you practiced every day. It's a relatively easy song.
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Hey I got an idea! Let's argue about wether or not master of puppets is an easy song or not. Really who gives a **** if it is or not? I find that if I like the song no matter the difficulty then it is worth learning. If the song sucks IMO then I would never bother to learn it. It all boils down to personal preference just like everything else relating to guitar.
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Fixed.

It all depends on your perspective and your strengths/ability as a guitar player. I think it's easy, but not everyone does.

Nah, it's definitely a fact that it isn't easy - your statement that it's easy is the opinion.

There's too much going on in that song for a beginner to even decipher, let alone attempt to play. Perspective or ability has nothing to do with it - is it a simple song? Not really no. Does it require a relative degree of competency with basic techniques? yes, you need to be able to pick accurately and also be farely mobile around the fretboard. Do you need to an accurate picking hand? Yes, not only accurate but also you need a fair bit of stamina too. Is it the kind of thing you can expect to play in the first few months of playing guitar? Unlikely, sure you might be able to play the intro riff, but that's hardly "playing the song" is it?
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Yes, because metal is the only guitar music out there.


Never said that , but we was talking about metallica.
metallica is metal , i said its easy for metal.
It was one of the first metal songs i picked up.

And sorry you guys if i had the catagorisation ( spelling? ) wrong , watched a documentary on metal and it said thrash and death metal and such was counted as forms of extreme metal. My bad
#36
And to those who say it IS really easy, I want to know if you're using only downstrokes.
#37
Its easy for alternate pickers. If you want to downpick its not very easy.

Anyone else here have those days where you wake up and you can downpick like hetfield, then the next day you cant downpick for shit...
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8 years??? This song should be learned in the first year all the way through at speed. If you practiced every day. It's a relatively easy song.


8 years was just a general example. If practiced everyday, it could be played cleanly and in time in about 1.5-2 years. I don't believe anyone could play it in any less than that but thats just my opinion, we all know how people like to exaggerate/understate in their own favor.

You are in the minority on this one, most people here think it is not an easy song. Easy is Come as you are by Nirvana, MOP needs MUCH more skill to play than that song.
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Quote by Sy_B
And to those who say it IS really easy, I want to know if you're using only downstrokes.


picking technique dosent matter.
Just cause metallica does it dosent mean you have to do it , you dont have to mimic a song down to every little detail.
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I've been learning MoP on and off for a few months and the intro did take some practice.

I used to alt pick the whole thing and thought "lol this is easy" but when I compared it to the song it sounded terrible, the upstrokes sounded weak and the downstrokes didn't "breathe" properly, the dynamics didn't do it any favours - it was up to tempo but it did nothing for the sound. Once I changed it to all downpicks it sounded much, much better.
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