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Himml
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Greetings,

As you can see, I'm new here. I don't have a guitar.. yet. I'm planning to buy one soon but the thing is that i don't know which kind of guitar I should buy(Model, strings, everything) I want to play metal(Death and black mostly). Also, I'm pretty much broke at the moment so the cheaper, the better . I don't have any ''guitar items'' such as amps(I think it's called) Would that be a problem?

A few more questions:

Is it possible learn playing by yourself without a teacher?

What do I need in order to play a guitar by myself? Books and stuff like that etc.

As i mentioned, I love metal. Can I start off by playing it or do i have to start with ''easy stuff''?

In other words: I'm completely new to all this so, i need help to start off.

Thank you

Himml


PS. The structure of the text might be a little ''clumsy''. Was rushing
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1. you're gonna need an amp to make death metal sounds. for sure, i'm not the one to comment on such gear as i'm more of a blues player so i'll wait on someone else to give you some specs.

2. yes it's possible, but it takes longer, i learnt without a teacher, but other people i know did get lessons. it's all personal preference and also budget.

3. really just a guitar, and some hands... but do some research, watch a few youtube videos for tips, they help.

4. it's ALWAYS advised you start with "easy stuff" otherwise if you try to run before you can walk then you will just lose faith in the instrument in weeks/months and give it up for good, start slow, learn as much as you can. i made the mistake of trying to do too much too quick, i then gave up for 18 months, then picked up the guitar again and forced myself to start from scratch and i'm a MUCH better guitarist than i otherwise would be.

hope this helped, anymore questions then feel free to ask

- Jack
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Quote by Dempsey68
1. you're gonna need an amp to make death metal sounds. for sure, i'm not the one to comment on such gear as i'm more of a blues player so i'll wait on someone else to give you some specs.

2. yes it's possible, but it takes longer, i learnt without a teacher, but other people i know did get lessons. it's all personal preference and also budget.

3. really just a guitar, and some hands... but do some research, watch a few youtube videos for tips, they help.

4. it's ALWAYS advised you start with "easy stuff" otherwise if you try to run before you can walk then you will just lose faith in the instrument in weeks/months and give it up for good, start slow, learn as much as you can. i made the mistake of trying to do too much too quick, i then gave up for 18 months, then picked up the guitar again and forced myself to start from scratch and i'm a MUCH better guitarist than i otherwise would be.

hope this helped, anymore questions then feel free to ask

- Jack



Thank you very much

Do you know where i can buy or find some lyrics/texts whatever it's called or will i have to do it all by my ear looking at videos?
Dempsey68
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you can just google lyrics.

and tabs you can use the search bar on the home page at the top.
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you can just google lyrics.

and tabs you can use the search bar on the home page at the top.



The problem is that I can't read lyrics... Ehm.. do you know how i can learn it by myself?
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Quote by Himml
The problem is that I can't read lyrics... Ehm.. do you know how i can learn it by myself?


Lyrics are the words of the song btw....
You either meant to say tabs or sheet music I am guessing. There are lessons here on UG on how to read tabs...... here is a link: How To Read Tabs
And I learnt all I know on a program called guitar pro... You can find guitar pro tabs on UG. But you have to download the guitar pro software first.

Hope that helps
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Quote by MaddMann274
Lyrics are the words of the song btw....
You either meant to say tabs or sheet music I am guessing. There are lessons here on UG on how to read tabs...... here is a link: How To Read Tabs
And I learnt all I know on a program called guitar pro... You can find guitar pro tabs on UG. But you have to download the guitar pro software first.

Hope that helps



Thanks Oh and, should I worry about ''tuning'' the guitar?

EDIT: What is the difference on 6, 4, 5 and 12 string guitars?
Last edited by Himml at Feb 10, 2011,
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Thanks Oh and, should I worry about ''tuning'' the guitar?


Well if you don't know how then yea I guess so. lol
I strongly recommend getting a guitar tuner, I have a one with an in-built metronome (I might have phrased that wrong. :P)... Tune your guitar with a tuner, then detune the strings besides the low E string, then try tuning the guitar without the tuner. After ur finished check your results. That's how i practised when i started...
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Well if you don't know how then yea I guess so. lol
I strongly recommend getting a guitar tuner, I have a one with an in-built metronome (I might have phrased that wrong. :P)... Tune your guitar with a tuner, then detune the strings besides the low E string, then try tuning the guitar without the tuner. After ur finished check your results. That's how i practised when i started...


Does such an item exist?!

And I'm a little confused. How can i move my fingers so quickly over the strings like i see people do it?

EDIT: And how i tune my guitar into playing a song? For example if i want to play 'Children of damned tab' how can i tune my guitar specially to play that`?

EDIT: Do you know a guitar that's good at playing Death and black metal? A cheap one preferably.
Last edited by Himml at Feb 10, 2011,
Dempsey68
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Quote by Himml
Does such an item exist?!

And I'm a little confused. How can i move my fingers so quickly over the strings like i see people do it?

EDIT: And how i tune my guitar into playing a song? For example if i want to play 'Children of damned tab' how can i tune my guitar specially to play that`?

EDIT: Do you know a guitar that's good at playing Death and black metal? A cheap one preferably.

1. they do exist, i haven't got one but i've seen them

2. practise practise practise practise practise

3. most songs are in E standard (normal tuning) but some require drop D or even lower, that usually requires tuning your low E (fattest string) down a bit.

4. what's your budget? cheap could be £100 or £500 depending on what you want and how much you have for it.

also how much do you have for an amp and pedals?
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1. they do exist, i haven't got one but i've seen them

2. practise practise practise practise practise

3. most songs are in E standard (normal tuning) but some require drop D or even lower, that usually requires tuning your low E (fattest string) down a bit.

4. what's your budget? cheap could be £100 or £500 depending on what you want and how much you have for it.

also how much do you have for an amp and pedals?



Hmm.. I have around £500 for everything including guitar, amp everything.

EDIT: Well, i know that i have to practice to move my fingers quickly but isn't there a ''special kind of training made specially'' for that?

Playing with the guitar like it was piece of toy will probably not make me better at it, eh?
Last edited by Himml at Feb 10, 2011,
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ok then, i'd SUGGEST £250 for a half decent guitar, £200 for an amp and £50 for accessories (strap, cables, even a pedal?)

by the fact you used the £ sign i guess you're in the UK?

which makes my job easier for websites...

so... metal guitars around the two-fiddy mark: (take your pick from any of the following)
Jackson JS30 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js30-dkt-snow-white/20431
Jackson JS32 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32rt-dinky-black/27466
Jackson JS32T http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32t-rhoads-black/27478
same as above but white http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32t-kelly-snow-white/27475
BC Rich ASM std. http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-asm-standard-blackburst/31630
BC Rich Trace Warbeast http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-trace-warbeast/32806
BC Rich Special Edition Mockingbird http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-special-edition-mockingbird-evil-edge/911
Dean DM VMNTX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-dave-mustaine-vmntx-bolt-on-united-abominations/17640
Dean Hardtail std. http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-hardtail-standard-classic-black/33428
Dean Dimebag ML http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-dimebag-tribute-ml/1499
Dean ZXP http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-z-xp-metallic-white/18384
Ibanez XP300FX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-xp300fx-candy-apple-red/32579
Ibanez GRG170DX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-grg-170dx-candy-apple-red/17041 (this was my first guitar)
Ibanez RG350M http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-rg350m-black/27294
Ibanez GRG270B http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-grg-270b-light-purple-metallic/17048
Ibanez ART80 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-art80-bk-black/18947
Ibanes SA120EX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-sa120ex/18477
ESP LTD V50 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-v-50/28397
ESP LET F50 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-f-50-black-cherry/16659
ESP LTD MH50NT http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-mh-50-nt-black-cherry/35836
ESP LTD M103FM http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-m-103-fm/21643

amp:
peavey vypyr 30 - http://www.gak.co.uk/en/peavey-vypyr-30/19563


i know there's a LOT of guitars there, but just have a look through, pick out some you like then either do some research or ask us for opinions and we'll be as honest as possible.

edit: and there was no point in me looking at any other amp, that's the one i believe 90% of people would suggest for a beginner. that or an MG... and i wouldn't wish an MG on anyone xD
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Quote by Dempsey68
ok then, i'd SUGGEST £250 for a half decent guitar, £200 for an amp and £50 for accessories (strap, cables, even a pedal?)

by the fact you used the £ sign i guess you're in the UK?

which makes my job easier for websites...

so... metal guitars around the two-fiddy mark: (take your pick from any of the following)
Jackson JS30 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js30-dkt-snow-white/20431
Jackson JS32 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32rt-dinky-black/27466
Jackson JS32T http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32t-rhoads-black/27478
same as above but white http://www.gak.co.uk/en/jackson-js32t-kelly-snow-white/27475
BC Rich ASM std. http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-asm-standard-blackburst/31630
BC Rich Trace Warbeast http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-trace-warbeast/32806
BC Rich Special Edition Mockingbird http://www.gak.co.uk/en/bc-rich-special-edition-mockingbird-evil-edge/911
Dean DM VMNTX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-dave-mustaine-vmntx-bolt-on-united-abominations/17640
Dean Hardtail std. http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-hardtail-standard-classic-black/33428
Dean Dimebag ML http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-dimebag-tribute-ml/1499
Dean ZXP http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-z-xp-metallic-white/18384
Ibanez XP300FX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-xp300fx-candy-apple-red/32579
Ibanez GRG170DX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-grg-170dx-candy-apple-red/17041 (this was my first guitar)
Ibanez RG350M http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-rg350m-black/27294
Ibanez GRG270B http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-grg-270b-light-purple-metallic/17048
Ibanez ART80 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-art80-bk-black/18947
Ibanes SA120EX http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-sa120ex/18477
ESP LTD V50 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-v-50/28397
ESP LET F50 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-f-50-black-cherry/16659
ESP LTD MH50NT http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-ltd-mh-50-nt-black-cherry/35836
ESP LTD M103FM http://www.gak.co.uk/en/esp-m-103-fm/21643

amp:
peavey vypyr 30 - http://www.gak.co.uk/en/peavey-vypyr-30/19563


i know there's a LOT of guitars there, but just have a look through, pick out some you like then either do some research or ask us for opinions and we'll be as honest as possible.

edit: and there was no point in me looking at any other amp, that's the one i believe 90% of people would suggest for a beginner. that or an MG... and i wouldn't wish an MG on anyone xD


Ehm.. no. I'm in Denmark.

How many strings should it have?
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How many strings should it have?


Commonly guitars have 6 strings. So i think you should get a 6 string at first, after you learn then you can go to 7 or 12 string guitars.

Oh and there are no such things as guitars with 4 or 5 strings <<Those are Bass guitars.
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Commonly guitars have 6 strings. So i think you should get a 6 string at first, after you learn then you can go to 7 or 12 string guitars.

Oh and there are no such things as guitars with 4 or 5 strings <<Those are Bass guitars.



I am very, very, very confused... really I am. What the hell is a Bass and ''regular'' guitar then? What's the difference?

EDIT: Can both guitar and a bass play Black and death metal?

EDIT: I found this video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHWxu5l9bLg

Do you think it's ''real''?
Last edited by Himml at Feb 11, 2011,
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Quote by Himml
I am very, very, very confused... really I am. What the hell is a Bass and ''regular'' guitar then? What's the difference?

EDIT: Can both guitar and a bass play Black and death metal?

EDIT: I found this video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHWxu5l9bLg

Do you think it's ''real''?


Check Wikipedia.
Guitar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar
Bass Guitar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_guitar

I'll let someone else explain those if you still can't understand the differences, cause I don't know how to explain. :P

As for the video..... It's a definite no
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Quote by MaddMann274
Check Wikipedia.
Guitar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar
Bass Guitar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_guitar

I'll let someone else explain those if you still can't understand the differences, cause I don't know how to explain. :P

As for the video..... It's a definite no


Thanks..

EDIT: I've tried to hold a guitar but i can seem to hold it right. It keeps slipping off my hand.
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depends on what one it is? generally, probably not. but give us a name and model number and we'll tell you.

and guitar101.tk seems dodgy to me. i wouldn't download the file.
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Quote by Dempsey68
depends on what one it is? generally, probably not. but give us a name and model number and we'll tell you.

and guitar101.tk seems dodgy to me. i wouldn't download the file.



Hmm.. i found this: X-Provoke HT-212 - Do you think i can play Death and black metal with it?

As for the amp. Yes, i think it's too small as well..

EDIT: I found: LTD Viper-10 - Do you think it's good?
Last edited by Himml at Feb 11, 2011,
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LTD Viper-10 gets mixed reviees on U-g but it's not a bad guitar for a first one.
reviews: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/esp/ltd_viper_10/index.html

as for the X-Provoke HT-212, seen pictures and it looks like a jem rip-off, out of the two i'd go with the LTD Viper-10.

the peavey vypyr i showed you would be a good amp, for a first one anyway.
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Quote by Dempsey68
LTD Viper-10 gets mixed reviees on U-g but it's not a bad guitar for a first one.
reviews: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/esp/ltd_viper_10/index.html

as for the X-Provoke HT-212, seen pictures and it looks like a jem rip-off, out of the two i'd go with the LTD Viper-10.

the peavey vypyr i showed you would be a good amp, for a first one anyway.



hmm.. the el-guitar is Chinese made.. I've heard that ''cheap Chinese stuff'' breaks pretty fast.. I really don't want to buy another guitar after a half year..
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if it's cheap and chinese then stay away. <- that'd be my advice.
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if it's cheap and chinese then stay away. <- that'd be my advice.


Actually, I'm not 100% sure if it's Chinese. The link you gave to me, said that it was Chinese made but.. the person who reviewed it wasn't hm.. how should i say this... ''trust worthy''. So, yeah. I'm not sure.


EDIT: Also, do you know if i can buy some book tutorials? Those books that explain how to do this and that.. for beginners. Hmm?
Last edited by Himml at Feb 13, 2011,
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Quote by Himml
Also, do you know if i can buy some book tutorials? Those books that explain how to do this and that.. for beginners. Hmm?


Well I don't know cause I never used books for guitar stuff.. But there should be.
There are a lot of useful lessons here on UG. Check them out.
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"guitar for beginners" would probably be a good start
not sure about any others though.
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"guitar for beginners" would probably be a good start
not sure about any others though.



I have been looking at Amazon.com and i found...


http://www.amazon.com/Dean-Electric-Starter-Vendetta-Metallic/dp/B0025VLQY6/ref=sr_1_12?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1297615564&sr=1-12


Hmm, do you think it's ''all right''?


EDIT: And this..

http://www.amazon.com/B-C-Rich-Warlock-Guitar-Bevels/dp/B001G60IF4/ref=sr_1_84?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1297615819&sr=1-84
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out of the two, i'd go for the dean.

i've got a vendetta 1.0 and the build quality is extremely good.

so yeh if you're thinking of either of them, the first (dean) one would be the one i'd suggest.
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Quote by Dempsey68
out of the two, i'd go for the dean.

i've got a vendetta 1.0 and the build quality is extremely good.

so yeh if you're thinking of either of them, the first (dean) one would be the one i'd suggest.


Hm, okay, thanks (: But why not the other one? I'm just curious


EDIT: Hmm, I found a cheap B.C Rich Warbeast. What's your opinion on those?
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BC rich are BAD.

so cliche', cheaply made, sound TERRIBLE and look horrible.

BC Rich will never probably get a decent review from anyone...

Dean on the other hand, are a good guitar company with a good reputation. (unless you encounter some loyalists who hate everything but what they have)
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BC rich are BAD.

so cliche', cheaply made, sound TERRIBLE and look horrible.

BC Rich will never probably get a decent review from anyone...

Dean on the other hand, are a good guitar company with a good reputation. (unless you encounter some loyalists who hate everything but what they have)

Correction: Low end BCR's are bad. The $600+ ones are freaking awesome.

Also Dean has their shit too. One of the worst guitars I ever played was a $1000 Razorback.
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You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
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Thanks a lot for the help everyone I'll search the internet for more el-guitars and post them here If i can't find something ''okay'' I i might go with the Dean.
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I found this amp: KUSTOM KG112FX . What do you think?

Also found... HARLEY BENTON HB-20G , ROLAND CUBE-20XL, LANEY LG35-R, VOX VT120+

Out of these, which one's are ''best''? I was thinking about buying the KUSTOM KG112FX. Hm..?
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Hmm, i can't remember what they're called but those long black thing that you put in the hole on the amp. Anyways, look at these and you'll know what I'm talking about: PRO SNAKE TPI-A 9, CORDIAL CCI 3 PP, THE SSSNAKE IPP1030, and CORDIAL CTI 6 PP-BL .

Are these all right?
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post 35 = VT120+ ??? 120 watt??? that's a LOT! i've only got a VT50 and it's loud as anything.

look for anything below 30 watts.

and post 36 = you mean a cable? yeh any of them will do.
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Quote by Dempsey68
post 35 = VT120+ ??? 120 watt??? that's a LOT! i've only got a VT50 and it's loud as anything.

look for anything below 30 watts.

and post 36 = you mean a cable? yeh any of them will do.



Thanks for letting me know. Ehm... do you know how i can ''understand'' auto tuners like: http://www.seventhstring.com/tuner/tuner.html 'Cause i have no idea what i am supposed to do with it.