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i know what german voicing sounds like, and i know that primarily the tonestack is what affects the voicing of the amp. so what is the most common tube used in "german" voiced amps? what are the approximate tonestack frequencies? are there any other contributers?
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it's always the germans!!


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filtering. a lot of filtering.
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If I knew I'd let you know, I'd think it has to do with the way it clips the signal, but I've never even heard of a German Voiced Amp.


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I don't understand xD

i only can see that you have a lot of mids and a bump in the higher mids?
but much more???
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Lots of compression and thick tight tone. That's what I always associated with German high gainers.

Can't tell you much more than that.

Edit: my engl's powered by 6550s but most other engl's are 6l6 or el34
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From my limited understanding, "british" voicing refers a pronounced midrange, "american" amps have lots of bass and treble but less mids than british, and germans are a sort of more neutral-sounding middle ground between the two.

Having said that, I've heard plenty of different descriptions from different people which often contradict one another.
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It's honestly an even more useless categorisation than "British" or "American" tone. Much like these, it's meant to describe the tone of a handful of famous amps. When I hear that term, I think mostly of an Engl Savage 120.
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But in all seriousness, when I think of German I think of really dry gain, very tight, and lots of low mids.

Past that, I couldn't really tell you.
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a german amp can drink more beer and eat more bratwurst than british or american amps. and you have to go to the dealer for parts and repair. also everything is metric.
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
i know what german voicing sounds like, and i know that primarily the tonestack is what affects the voicing of the amp. so what is the most common tube used in "german" voiced amps? what are the approximate tonestack frequencies? are there any other contributers?


The typical "German" voicing is lots of low mids, tight lows and a subdued high end. They're usually very dry sounding. The tone stack is not a significant contributer to the voicing though. Basically every amp uses the exact same one with the same or almost the same values. It's all due to coupling caps, cathode bypass caps and snubber caps along with appropriate grid stopper and plate resistor values.
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i think the tone stack has alot to do with it. but min was right in broader since, it's all the filtering the results in the 'compression' and tones everyone is mentioning.

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It's honestly an even more useless categorisation than "British" or "American" tone. Much like these, it's meant to describe the tone of a handful of famous amps. When I hear that term, I think mostly of an Engl Savage 120.


LOL, right?

i think it is kinda hilarious it kinda has roots with the JTM45. marshall's first amp was a 'copy' of the bassman 5F6-A circuit, so the difference in the American and British tone is the difference in component values they were able to obtained for their production models. same basic circuit, slightly different cap and resistor values (lets not forget the tubes too). i am sure you knew all that already, i was just restating for posterity.

but, that is the difference in american and british amp: available OEM. i do agree Mr. Quail, the term "american or bristish tone" means more to the individual using the term than it does to the community at whole.
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ENGLs filter the signal tons and push a narrow band of midrange through the gain stages. The tone stack is designed to suck those mids back down to achieve "balance". Of course I know a few people who've made ENGL preamp circuits on another forum and most have made changes to that whole design. Resistors bypassing those heavy filters to let some bass and highs in mostly. I have other projects in the works, but I'm looking forward to taking a crack at the ENGL method myself. I finished a PCB for it awhile back, but funds and all....
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i think the tone stack has alot to do with it. but min was right in broader since, it's all the filtering the results in the 'compression' and tones everyone is mentioning.


LOL, right?

i think it is kinda hilarious it kinda has roots with the JTM45. marshall's first amp was a 'copy' of the bassman 5F6-A circuit, so the difference in the American and British tone is the difference in component values they were able to obtained for their production models. same basic circuit, slightly different cap and resistor values (lets not forget the tubes too). i am sure you knew all that already, i was just restating for posterity.

but, that is the difference in american and british amp: available OEM. i do agree Mr. Quail, the term "american or bristish tone" means more to the individual using the term than it does to the community at whole.


The thing is I don't think most people would think of the bassman for an 'american' sound, but probably something more along the lines of a twin or a deluxe.
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i'd say it has that big thick sound like an american voiced amp, but a tight low end associated with a british voiced amp. and very compressed
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The thing is I don't think most people would think of the bassman for an 'american' sound, but probably something more along the lines of a twin or a deluxe.


yeah, and a black face at that. the AB763 is pretty much the 'fender clean' everyone really talks about.

i guess it was a weak point.
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actually gumbi I was talking about the power filtering. The interstage filtering on the engls actually doesn't make much sense to me. I can't figure out how those values actually work.

But they run a significant amount of DC heaters, rectified DC heaters, heavy filtering on the HT power supply line....

What appears to be diodes as current sinks and stabilizers in the power amp but I need to double check that. They might just be overload protectors.
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actually gumbi I was talking about the power filtering. The interstage filtering on the engls actually doesn't make much sense to me. I can't figure out how those values actually work.

But they run a significant amount of DC heaters, rectified DC heaters, heavy filtering on the HT power supply line....

What appears to be diodes as current sinks and stabilizers in the power amp but I need to double check that. They might just be overload protectors.


could you double check that for me min? it would be greatly appreciated.
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no those are just relays. they do definitely run dc heaters though.
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a bit more compressed more in the middle of american and british as far as mids,able to have more saturation than american or british and still have really good clear "transparent" tone with no loss of definition. the only thing it doesn't equal between american and british is the above and being way better at being able to have such pronounced low ends.
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