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#161
Quote by nyandres
I tried both, and to be honest I thought they were without doubt in the same level. There were some tones I prefered in the pod, and some I prefered in the Axe. The Axe has more tones though, which is a plus. The quality of the two however, I thought to be exactly the same after lots of EQ in both for hours. I do wish the Diezel VH4 was available in the pod though.

With that said, the two are really in the same level I thought, and still not quite right in terms of feeling like a tube amp to the player. I feel if I was listening to either one, I would not be able to notice the difference (between these and a tube amp), but playing them you can feel how they still lack something in comparison to an amp.

One thing the HD does a lot better by the way, is responding realistically (still feels a bit off though) to signal strength. In the vintage amps this is noticeable and very nice.

I ran them through an Evans amplifier which is incredibly articulate sounding.


I am really curious about that amp. How do you run the POD? Do you runit through the pre amp or in the effects loop? How does the Treadplate/Diamondplate model sound through it?
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Yeah, I'm a recto fanboy If only I had the moolah for a real one with a big bad midi rig
#162
Quote by GS LEAD 5
I am really curious about that amp. How do you run the POD? Do you runit through the pre amp or in the effects loop? How does the Treadplate/Diamondplate model sound through it?
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Yeah, I'm a recto fanboy If only I had the moolah for a real one with a big bad midi rig


I run the signal this way, so I can get the evans pre for the the cleans, and skip it for when I use the pod's high gain sims.

Guitar to Pod's input
Pod's send to Evans input.
Evans send to Pod's return
Pod's out to Evans Return

My patches have the switchable FX loop before any amp simulation. I program one switch to turn the loop off when the amp sim is on, or vice versa.

So when the loop is on the signal goes through the front of the amp, when its off, it just goes straight from the pod to the Evans Return.

As for the amp, it has the most beautiful clean channel I have heard. I got it as part of the reward for working on their website. I love the way it sounds. Its hard to describe.
#163
Quote by nyandres
I run the signal this way, so I can get the evans pre for the the cleans, and skip it for when I use the pod's high gain sims.

Guitar to Pod's input
Pod's send to Evans input.
Evans send to Pod's return
Pod's out to Evans Return

My patches have the switchable FX loop before any amp simulation. I program one switch to turn the loop off when the amp sim is on, or vice versa.

So when the loop is on the signal goes through the front of the amp, when its off, it just goes straight from the pod to the Evans Return.

As for the amp, it has the most beautiful clean channel I have heard. I got it as part of the reward for working on their website. I love the way it sounds. Its hard to describe.


A reward?
Sweet!
No one gives me anything
Nvm.....I'll grab something once board results are out
#164
I finally got my axe-fx standard sounding better than my old engl fireball, and comparable to the savage.. I'd say that's a victory for DSP. Most of it was fiddling with the Mesa 2:90 and parametric EQ on the axe.
/rig
#165
Quote by nyandres

One thing the HD does a lot better by the way, is responding realistically (still feels a bit off though) to signal strength. In the vintage amps this is noticeable and very nice.


do you know if the GT-10 responds in anyway a amp would? I did my own tests in the past and my results say is, clean is clean, will never OD through signal driven inputs. ODs wont clean up if i reduce guitar volume.

I was wondering if my setup isn't good enough to even bring about these changes(such as volume that i play at, bedroom btw, or my pickups arn't hot enough, etc)

i made my peace with my GT-10 and just use it for generic tone generating and try to learn how to play guitar then poke around gear now.
#166
Quote by mespinos
I finally got my axe-fx standard sounding better than my old engl fireball, and comparable to the savage.. I'd say that's a victory for DSP. Most of it was fiddling with the Mesa 2:90 and parametric EQ on the axe.
Did you use a real cab or the Axe's cab impulses? If it's all Axe, share the patch?
#167
Real cabinet, Guitar - > Axe - > Mesa 2:90 (deep/modern on) - >Mesa 4x12.

I got some decent sounds playing with patches myself, but the most success I had was tweaking presets from Ola Englund's blog (http://www.olaenglund.com/?page_id=37)

Some minor tweaks on the powerball sim + deep/modern on my 2:90 really nail the ENGL saturated thick juicy tone.

edit: also removed the cab sim
/rig
Last edited by mespinos at Apr 14, 2011,
#168
Quote by iampeter
do you know if the GT-10 responds in anyway a amp would? I did my own tests in the past and my results say is, clean is clean, will never OD through signal driven inputs. ODs wont clean up if i reduce guitar volume.

I was wondering if my setup isn't good enough to even bring about these changes(such as volume that i play at, bedroom btw, or my pickups arn't hot enough, etc)

i made my peace with my GT-10 and just use it for generic tone generating and try to learn how to play guitar then poke around gear now.


Probably just the DSP. THe GT-10 is a pretty old modeller after all.

My RP500's low=mid gain models (JCM800, AC30, Plexi) clean up nicely on reducing guitar volume, and heavy picking can get even the Twin models to break up, but I haven't played an actual low gain tube amp so I cannot comment on accuracy.
Heck, I once got a Mark IV clean tone by switching to the neck pickup, reducing gain on the amp, lowering volume like mad and picking real softly. Nice warm clanky sort of clean.
One thing I like, heavy picking on a tube model like a JTM causes a nice bluesy/classic rocky crunch, but on an SS amp model like the JC120 you get a load of typical SS farting. Very accurate it that respect.
Last edited by GS LEAD 5 at Apr 14, 2011,
#169
Quote by GS LEAD 5
Probably just the DSP. THe GT-10 is a pretty old modeller after all.

My RP500's low=mid gain models (JCM800, AC30, Plexi) clean up nicely on reducing guitar volume, and heavy picking can get even the Twin models to break up, but I haven't played an actual low gain tube amp so I cannot comment on accuracy.
Heck, I once got a Mark IV clean tone by switching to the neck pickup, reducing gain on the amp, lowering volume like mad and picking real softly. Nice warm clanky sort of clean.
One thing I like, heavy picking on a tube model like a JTM causes a nice bluesy/classic rocky crunch, but on an SS amp like the JC120 you get a load of typical SS farting. Very accurate it that respect.


Yeah the JC120 is terrible with distortions of all sort whether it is tube preamps, pedals, sims.
#170
Ok I got redirected from a thread I made but since I'm relatively new to this stuff, if I bought an Eleven Rack would I be able to straight up plug it through a regular old solid state or tube amp or do I HAVE to get a power amp and cabinet?
#171
Quote by randyaintdead82
Ok I got redirected from a thread I made but since I'm relatively new to this stuff, if I bought an Eleven Rack would I be able to straight up plug it through a regular old solid state or tube amp or do I HAVE to get a power amp and cabinet?


is there an instruction manual you can check?
if you have concern over sound quality, it would depend on the user listening to the tone

if you have concern for damage, i would download the manual off the website to confirm.

My assumption is the eleven rack is a preamp system, so you can attach it to a power amp + cab (recommended for many modeling systems) or if you have a clean platform you can attach it to the front of a amp
#172
Quote by randyaintdead82
Ok I got redirected from a thread I made but since I'm relatively new to this stuff, if I bought an Eleven Rack would I be able to straight up plug it through a regular old solid state or tube amp or do I HAVE to get a power amp and cabinet?


You can use it through an amp, the best way is to plug it into the return jack of the effects loop. You could use the normal input, but the amp's preamp will color your tone.
#173
Quote by randyaintdead82
Ok I got redirected from a thread I made but since I'm relatively new to this stuff, if I bought an Eleven Rack would I be able to straight up plug it through a regular old solid state or tube amp or do I HAVE to get a power amp and cabinet?


You should be able to slave the power section of a normal amp for your 11R. You don't want to run it through the input.
/rig
#174
Ok thank you guys that will help so much I'l remember to put it in effects loop instead of Input
#176
Quote by disk11
You can use it through an amp, the best way is to plug it into the return jack of the effects loop. You could use the normal input, but the amp's preamp will color your tone.
Hmm, never tried this with the Axe before. I'll be sure to give it a go through my Mesa tomorrow.
Quote by randyaintdead82
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-FM-212DSP-100-Watt-2x12--Frontman-Combo-Amp-with-DSP-Effects-103858965-i1168503.gc

So what if I were to get this or like some cheap Marshall to power it? I'd be ok as long as the effects input is there so the amp's actual sound doesn't mess with it? My budgets sorta low
I paid $150 for a used solid state power amp, a Carvin DCM150. Don't know if I'd gig with it, but for bedroom and band practice it does the job well. In fact, there's one on eBay here with a higher wattage that you might be able to snag for under $200.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Carvin-DCM600-600-Watt-Power-Amp-Amplifier-PA-/300547955712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fa0ddc00
Last edited by Pat_s1t at Apr 15, 2011,
#177
Quote by Pat_s1t
Hmm, never tried this with the Axe before. I'll be sure to give it a go through my Mesa tomorrow.I paid $150 for a used solid state power amp, a Carvin DCM150. Don't know if I'd gig with it, but for bedroom and band practice it does the job well. In fact, there's one on eBay here with a higher wattage that you might be able to snag for under $200.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Carvin-DCM600-600-Watt-Power-Amp-Amplifier-PA-/300547955712?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fa0ddc00



The Mesa Recto poweramp, from what I have heard, is a HEAVILY colored one.

IIRC someone on this forum tried his Axe through his Recto's effects return.
He said it made everything sound recto ish.
#178
I'm planning on buying the POD HD500 but still have some questions about it.

1.Do I just Connect the POD to the computer and put on headphones to hear the sound?
2.Can I use a Power Amp to make it sound through a normal cab?
3.What's a good "cheap" Power amp and also,solid state or tube?
4.Can I use other pedals with the POD?

Sorry for the noobie questions,just thought I'd ask
#179
Quote by VillainousLatin
I'm planning on buying the POD HD500 but still have some questions about it.

1.Do I just Connect the POD to the computer and put on headphones to hear the sound?
2.Can I use a Power Amp to make it sound through a normal cab?
3.What's a good "cheap" Power amp and also,solid state or tube?
4.Can I use other pedals with the POD?

Sorry for the noobie questions,just thought I'd ask


1. YES
2. YES
3. Tube: Carvin TS100 or any flat response power amp be it SS or Tube.
4. I think yes, but I don't know how well it works with actual pedals.

BTW: I hate Line 6 for making the HD Bean and not a HD Rack. -.- I'm working on building a rack based setup and I'd love to see options other than the Eleven Rack that isnt as expensive as the Axe FX. =.=
Last edited by Syriel at Apr 16, 2011,
#180
hey, another question about the podhd 500....

can you mix amps on it like you can on the axe fx?

like could i run a dual rec and the uberschall at the same time?
#181
Quote by Seanthesheep
hey, another question about the podhd 500....

can you mix amps on it like you can on the axe fx?

like could i run a dual rec and the uberschall at the same time?


Yeah, but the effects you want to run get limited.
#182
Quote by iampeter
do you know if the GT-10 responds in anyway a amp would? I did my own tests in the past and my results say is, clean is clean, will never OD through signal driven inputs. ODs wont clean up if i reduce guitar volume.

I was wondering if my setup isn't good enough to even bring about these changes(such as volume that i play at, bedroom btw, or my pickups arn't hot enough, etc)

i made my peace with my GT-10 and just use it for generic tone generating and try to learn how to play guitar then poke around gear now.


The GT10 sounds very good. But its not all that natural sounding but it gets some really cool lead tones with its excellent fx
#183
Quote by Seanthesheep
hey, another question about the podhd 500....

can you mix amps on it like you can on the axe fx?

like could i run a dual rec and the uberschall at the same time?


yeah, but if you have a lot of processing heavy FX the POD will give you a warning about it. For the most part is no problem, however
#184
Quote by Syriel
BTW: I hate Line 6 for making the HD Bean and not a HD Rack. -.- I'm working on building a rack based setup and I'd love to see options other than the Eleven Rack that isnt as expensive as the Axe FX. =.=
I was thinking the same thing. You'd think that with the huge uprise in the AxeFx's popularity, they would release a rackmountable Pod HD to stay competitive. Really, a Pod HD rack would be the perfect alternative to the Axe-Fx if a musician doesn't have enough cash for an Axe, or feels that they don't need all the extra effects and processing that the Axe offers at such a high price point.
#185
give it time and i reckon you will see something like a pod hd500.2 rack system,

thats how they did it before.

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#187
Quote by Tom 1.0
give it time and i reckon you will see something like a pod hd500.2 rack system,

thats how they did it before.


DO WANT. But it took them quite a few months before they released the Pod X3 Pro after the Pod X3 Live. =/

I kinda want to have the Pod in rack form by November if ever they're gonna release one. I want it as part of my gear before School Fest so i can use it. XD But if I get fed up on waiting I might just buy the HD 500 or the Eleven Rack. Tho recently I'm kinda leaning to the HD500 due to it being a floorboard and DSP in one, thus more portable. Bringing gear to school using the train is quite a hassle. XD Also actually loving its tone after playing the HD300 at my local store.
#189
Quote by Tom 1.0

Line 6 porn + Shmexy Guitar


HD300. Sweeet.

My HD500 might come up next month if things go well.

What guitar is that? Can't see the brand. Looks sweet tho. But its missing a string.
#190
It's an ltd ph600.

Nice and rare. Aye its no 7 string I'll admit. Bloody awesome though.

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#191
Quote by Tom 1.0
It's an ltd ph600.

Nice and rare. Aye its no 7 string I'll admit. Bloody awesome though.


Indeed its sexy. Looks like you're on your road to build your rig again.

Hopefully you get a J Custom back sometime soon. That JC you had before was one of the sexiest I've ever seen.
#192
I wont be having another JC for a long time

Its a Jaden Rose next!!!!

Review of the Hd up later tonight

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#195
On the way, I forgot how fiddley the pod is, even when you use pod edit. Non if the effects are just plug and play. They definitely have their sweet spots.

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#196
so let's say i already have a 15-watt practice amp at home now.

can i just plug in the line 6 hd300 into my amp and play?
#197
Quote by sewoo55
so let's say i already have a 15-watt practice amp at home now.

can i just plug in the line 6 hd300 into my amp and play?


Yes, but most likely you amp will color your tone a bit even if you set it at clean with flat settings. Unless it has an effects loop, where you can bypass your preamp and just use the amp as a power amp. I currently use my G2.1Nu in the same way.
#198
Some guy at some random forum while i was snooping around apparently got a hold of some info about the HD Rack from actual Line 6 reps.

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/equipment/678426-pod-hd-pro-pod-farm-news.html

Was so bored for the past few minutes I actually typed in Line6 HD Pro on google. XD
#200
Quote by Pat_s1t
^ **** yeah!

This is good news. I have to say I'm really looking forward to this release, just so I can try it out in a shop sometime.


Agreed

Now all we need is an actual release date, so I can make plans. I hope its got a tad bit more capabilities than the 500. Just to make it worth it. XD

I'm still probably gonna get the 500 tho cuz most likely its gonna be like introduced in winter namm. Then be released to the public by next year. It's soo not gonna make it by November.