Poll: Would you be willing to change your user title to 'Feminist' temporarily?
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#121
Quote by vintage x metal
And that's great, but it's not like that everywhere and in every situation. I'm not saying that this is constantly an issue but it's definitely one that is understated but highly prevalent. We both talked about college life in the past and a lot of the notions that go on in it are silly, but many people don't grow out of that. I think that maybe you're taking this the wrong way - just because you individually may transcend some of the thinking patterns common to gender stereotypes doesn't mean that they don't exist and aren't relevant.


I can agree to that.

Would I be safe in assuming that maybe this particular case is more of a maturity issue than a straight out gender stereotype one?


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You said 40% of the staff were women yet only men were in the trauma section



And? Perhaps you could make an argument instead of vilifying one of the actors.

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I've read the thread, I'm asking that as a broader question, as why not change the term entirely?



It reckon it would be like changing the band name after a couple members left and you already cut 4 records.
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#122
Quote by blake1221
I've read the thread, I'm asking that as a broader question, as why not change the term entirely?

It would be nice to change the term, and almost everyone agrees that it shouldn't have been labeled with such a loaded name - 'Feminism'. However just because it has certain name doesn't change the intent behind the movement. That's the WHOLE point of this thread - helping broaden the view of feminism among society as a look at gender (male/female/transgender/etc) issues and not just female issues, as it was meant to be.
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#123
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I can agree to that.

Would I be safe in assuming that maybe this particular case is more of a maturity issue than a straight out gender stereotype one?

It's both. A lot of people are immature when it comes to gender roles, no matter how mature they may be in the rest of their actions.
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#125
I'm for gender equality and less strict gender roles. One thing I can't stand, however, is the women who call themselves feminist because they want equal rights and do so by bashing males and saying women should be in charge. My stupid Comp teacher was like that. I'm by no means a stereotypical male. I'm just not into a lot of guy stuff. Sure, I like porn and explosions and stuff but all of the "hot" girls don't do anything for me and I have no interest in sports whatsoever. Until recently, I had a girlfriend who wasn't very girly and that's how I like it. I don't want a stereotypical girl because they annoy me. Both sexes are brainwashed to not only act a certain way but to oppose each other. My ex and I realized that we had been conditioned to argue pretty much.

Especially with sex. Guys are encouraged to be sexual and it's normal for a guy to be horny all the time. Girls are discouraged and are told to stop guys from having sex with them. This causes so many problems with sexuality for some girls. We need more androgyny in kids, especially younger children.


I totally agree with Jack Off Jill. Men are force fed so much shit that messes up their lives. My ex was a total tomboy is elementary and middle school and is still not extremely feminine. If a boy were to do that, he would be ostracized by both sexes his age and even adults would. Woman can assault a man and if he responds with necessary force, he would probably be criticized. Instead of teaching that girls can hit men with no consequences, teach that violence shouldn't be used towards anyone.

People wonder why abuse is more prevalent in men. Maybe it's because most boys are discouraged and even ridiculed for natural responses like crying but if a girl cries, the whole world flocks to her rescue. You shouldn't cry over everything but denying people release is cruel and twisted. Tons of boys and men don't know how to deal with or express their emotions because they've been taught not to. I'm playing along with this whole thing but I never use the word feminist because I support the values of masculism as well. Stop ****ing labeling it to glorify one side over the other. Call it acting like a decent human being.
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#127
Women get equal rights already. The difference is whether society views them as equals.

It's a boring topic because feminist women do tend to be complete bitches about the subject & demand everything.
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#129
Quote by vintage x metal
You are a feminist, I know you are. You're just afraid of the term and some of the other people that take on the name. This is my whole point with the thread - I don't want people to make assumptions when a person calls himself or herself a feminist.

Fear isn't the right word. Pissed off and wanting to boot them from any position where they can spread their bullshit from anymore. I'm afraid of the term feminism like I'm afraid of eating a rotten apple, because even though it was once tasty and good, it is now foul and eaten up from the inside. There might still be some edible parts, but most of it is just nasty.

I propose we call it something else. Let's call the new movement of equality something approachable, something everyone can not be ashamed calling themselves, like The Equalizors, Captain Equal and his Equalteers, The Equal Rangers, or She-Man.
#130
Quote by BladeSlinger
Especially with sex. Guys are encouraged to be sexual and it's normal for a guy to be horny all the time. Girls are discouraged and are told to stop guys from having sex with them. This causes so many problems with sexuality for some girls. We need more androgyny in kids, especially younger children.

Oh absolutely. I can't tell you how stifling it is for me personally and there is such taboo when it comes to sexuality for both men and women, gays and straights. Sex can be as simple or complex as you want it to be, and it has different implications in every situation. People just get so riled up about it because the issue is, well, 'sexy'.
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#131
Quote by CoreysMonster
Fear isn't the right word. Pissed off and wanting to boot them from any position where they can spread their bullshit from anymore. I'm afraid of the term feminism like I'm afraid of eating a rotten apple, because even though it was once tasty and good, it is now foul and eaten up from the inside. There might still be some edible parts, but most of it is just nasty.

I propose we call it something else. Let's call the new movement of equality something approachable, something everyone can not be ashamed calling themselves, like The Equalizors, Captain Equal and his Equalteers, The Equal Rangers, or She-Man.

I'm afraid we're going to need even more sophisticated methods to ensure people believe in gender equality...

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#132
Quote by CoreysMonster
Fear isn't the right word. Pissed off and wanting to boot them from any position where they can spread their bullshit from anymore. I'm afraid of the term feminism like I'm afraid of eating a rotten apple, because even though it was once tasty and good, it is now foul and eaten up from the inside. There might still be some edible parts, but most of it is just nasty.

I propose we call it something else. Let's call the new movement of equality something approachable, something everyone can not be ashamed calling themselves, like The Equalizors, Captain Equal and his Equalteers, The Equal Rangers, or She-Man.

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#133
Quote by CoreysMonster
Fear isn't the right word. Pissed off and wanting to boot them from any position where they can spread their bullshit from anymore. I'm afraid of the term feminism like I'm afraid of eating a rotten apple, because even though it was once tasty and good, it is now foul and eaten up from the inside. There might still be some edible parts, but most of it is just nasty.

I propose we call it something else. Let's call the new movement of equality something approachable, something everyone can not be ashamed calling themselves, like The Equalizors, Captain Equal and his Equalteers, The Equal Rangers, or She-Man.

Lol. We've discussed this a lot already but the name is an unfortunate circumstance. Why not just call yourself a feminist and serve as an example? People will be more open-minded in turn. It's crazy how many people we affect on our daily lives, especially on UG. I really think we can have something here.


you should change your user title
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#136
Quote by The_Casinator
She-man will probably send out the right signals.

She-man is already what I call myself. It works really well when I'm picking up prospects.

You trynna get on some o dis SHE-MAN?
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#137
Quote by Kensai
I'm afraid we're going to need even more sophisticated methods to ensure people believe in gender equality...

na na na na na na na na gender equality, gender equality! na na na na na na na na

Wait, is that the Batman thing or Katamari Damac--OH GOD THEY'RE BOTH PLAYING MY HEAD AT THE SAME TIME
#138
Quote by btones
You should update the OP with people who have. You know, peer pressure.

Good idea, I'm on it Thanks for the support
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#139
Feminists r just ugly butch chicks hu cant get laid so dey hate man. lololol
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#140
Quote by vintage x metal
Lol. We've discussed this a lot already but the name is an unfortunate circumstance. Why not just call yourself a feminist and serve as an example? People will be more open-minded in turn. It's crazy how many people we affect on our daily lives, especially on UG. I really think we can have something here.


you should change your user title

Why does it have to be feminism? Isn't that sexist in itself because it's implying that only women get all the shit? Feminism is wanting gender equality from a female perspective, meaning bring the women up to equal men. Masculism has started up (It's not even a ****ing word according to Firefox) to bring men down in contrast. If you want true equality then don't use a word that is in itself, one sided. Otherwise you'll always have the crazy bitches and the butthurt men.
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#141
Quote by CoreysMonster
Wait, is that the Batman thing or Katamari Damac--OH GOD THEY'RE BOTH PLAYING MY HEAD AT THE SAME TIME


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#142
Quote by CoreysMonster
Wait, is that the Batman thing or Katamari Damac--OH GOD THEY'RE BOTH PLAYING MY HEAD AT THE SAME TIME



This post.


This post, ladies and gentlemen...


...is the single greatest post I have ever witnessed. I love you, Corey.
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#144
Quote by vintage x metal
She-man is already what I call myself. It works really well when I'm picking up prospects.

You trynna get on some o dis SHE-MAN?

That should scare them off.
#145
Ok I believe in equal rights, but men and women are NOT the same.

Like for example a construction worker carrying heavy shit all day - and there is a woman doing the same job. Not to generalize, but woman in general are weaker then men, that's a fact. So say this guy carries 100lbs across the construction yard each trip, since the woman can only carry like 50 lbs thats what she carries.

No problem, no one cares that she can only carry 50lbs, atleast she is doing her job. Yet she earns the same as the guy? No that's not right.

It's probably a poor example but you get the general idea. There are 2 different sexes that need to be treated differently in some aspects.

I'm not being sexist or anything they are just two different things, sexes. Deal with it.
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#146
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Wait, is that the Batman thing or Katamari Damac--OH GOD THEY'RE BOTH PLAYING MY HEAD AT THE SAME TIME

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#147
Quote by CoreysMonster
Fear isn't the right word. Pissed off and wanting to boot them from any position where they can spread their bullshit from anymore. I'm afraid of the term feminism like I'm afraid of eating a rotten apple, because even though it was once tasty and good, it is now foul and eaten up from the inside. There might still be some edible parts, but most of it is just nasty.

I propose we call it something else. Let's call the new movement of equality something approachable, something everyone can not be ashamed calling themselves, like The Equalizors, Captain Equal and his Equalteers, The Equal Rangers, or She-Man.


I'd agree with that. The Equalizers sounds badass. xD

edit: i might aswell make this a serious post. I won't do any of this because i don't like groups, i support equal rights for people but i don't want to do it under a particular banner.
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#148
Quote by BladeSlinger
Why does it have to be feminism? Isn't that sexist in itself because it's implying that only women get all the shit? Feminism is wanting gender equality from a female perspective, meaning bring the women up to equal men. Masculism has started up (It's not even a ****ing word according to Firefox) to bring men down in contrast. If you want true equality then don't use a word that is in itself, one sided. Otherwise you'll always have the crazy bitches and the butthurt men.

I just wish they had thought of that beforehand. It's a very loaded term. Maybe this thread wouldn't have needed to exist otherwise
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#149
Quote by naedauuf
Ok I believe in equal rights, but men and women are NOT the same.

Like for example a construction worker carrying heavy shit all day - and there is a woman doing the same job. Not to generalize, but woman in general are weaker then men, that's a fact. So say this guy carries 100lbs across the construction yard each trip, since the woman can only carry like 50 lbs thats what she carries.

No problem, no one cares that she can only carry 50lbs, atleast she is doing her job. Yet she earns the same as the guy? No that's not right.

It's probably a poor example but you get the general idea. There are 2 different sexes that need to be treated differently in some aspects.

I'm not being sexist or anything they are just two different things, sexes. Deal with it.
Gender shouldn't even be an issue in that situation and I have no idea why it would be.

If the woman can't carry the hundred pounds then she shouldn't be doing the same job as the man that can. If another pair showed up and the woman could carry the hundred and the man couldn't then the two who could carry a hundred pounds would get paid the same and the two carrying fifty would get paid the same. Your job is based on how much work you do, not because of why you do so much work.

If a guy in Guitar Center tricks parents into buying a shitty amp for the kids, he'll get paid because he made the sales. If another employee was extremely helpful to one person and gave them the perfect match, he won't get as much because it's commission.
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#150
Quote by naedauuf
Ok I believe in equal rights, but men and women are NOT the same.
Jesus, nobody in their right mind argues that. Obviously since men are more physically dominant, they're better suited for more physically demanding jobs like construction. It's about treating them as equals, not identicals. Considering their interests equally to a man's.
#151
Quote by naedauuf
Ok I believe in equal rights, but men and women are NOT the same.

Like for example a construction worker carrying heavy shit all day - and there is a woman doing the same job. Not to generalize, but woman in general are weaker then men, that's a fact. So say this guy carries 100lbs across the construction yard each trip, since the woman can only carry like 50 lbs thats what she carries.

No problem, no one cares that she can only carry 50lbs, atleast she is doing her job. Yet she earns the same as the guy? No that's not right.

It's probably a poor example but you get the general idea. There are 2 different sexes that need to be treated differently in some aspects.

I'm not being sexist or anything they are just two different things, sexes. Deal with it.

I don't think anyone (here at least) is trying to argue against that There are a lot of differences between men and women. Feminism isn't trying to say that we are exactly the same - there are fundemental differences that are important to address. Guys don't have to worry about pregnancy leave, for instance.
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#152
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That should scare them off.

I'm pretty desperate at the moment, I'd still go for it even if there was a great chance of her having a dick.
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#154
Quote by BladeSlinger
Gender shouldn't even be an issue in that situation and I have no idea why it would be.

If the woman can't carry the hundred pounds then she shouldn't be doing the same job as the man that can. If another pair showed up an the woman could carry the hundred and the man couldn't then the two who could carry a hundred pounds would get paid the same and the two carrying fifty would get paid the same. You job is based on how much work you do, not because of why you do so much work.

If a guy in Guitar Center tricks parents into buying a shitty amp for the kids, he'll get paid because he made the sales. If another employee was extremely helpful to one person and gave them the perfect match, he won't get as much because it's commission.


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It's probably a poor example but you get the general idea.


Obviously not..
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#155
Quote by vintage x metal
I don't think anyone (here at least) is trying to argue against that There are a lot of differences between men and women. Feminism isn't trying to say that we are exactly the same - there are fundemental differences that are important to address. Guys don't have to worry about pregnancy leave, for instance.

That doesn't mean men aren't able to be the main parent and take leave because of that. Why does the women have to be stuck with the kid all the time and why is it strange for a man wanting to leave work temporarily to care for his child? It's unfair to both. A burden to the woman and almost an insult to the man saying he isn't fit for such a job. It would be more economical for the woman to have a brief leave while the man worked then the man leave once the woman recovers until they can find an alternative to leaving work.
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#156
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i might aswell make this a serious post. I won't do any of this because i don't like groups, i support equal rights for people but i don't want to do it under a particular banner.

Why not? You're a feminist whether you like it or not at this point I'm just trying to get people to be less scared of the word. I too am not a fan of labels but this is a label I wish wasn't so misconstrued, and you could help with that
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#157
I believe in equality amongst all genders, but I refuse to label myself a feminist. Not for the actual definition, but because of the stereotypes associated with the label and most of the people I've talked to who label themselves as such. It is the same reason I don't label myself an anarchist or a libertarian even though I subscribe to that ideology.
#158
Quote by BladeSlinger
That doesn't mean men aren't able to be the main parent and take leave because of that. Why does the women have to be stuck with the kid all the time and why is it strange for a man wanting to leave work temporarily to care for his child? It's unfair to both. A burden to the woman and almost an insult to the man saying he isn't fit for such a job. It would be more economical for the woman to have a brief leave while the man worked then the man leave once the woman recovers until they can find an alternative to leaving work.

No absolutely, and there are some countries that institute a nice hefty leaving period for both the mother and father. I'm totally for that. It should affect both parties unless the dad is just not very thoughtful. I meant more along the times before the baby is born when the woman is more likely to need the leave but not the dad as much.
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#159
I'm for equal rights and equal pay and all that, but obviously the whole idea of sex and gender is much more complicated than that. For example, in jobs that require a certain amount of physical exertion, such as firefighter or paramedic, I don't agree with reducing strength standards, for example, to make those type of jobs more accessible to women.

On the flip side, I'll always be more than a little suspicious about guys who want to work with children.
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#160
I'm in
Guitars:
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