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#1
The severity of this explosion is not being reported to be as serious as it truly is.

http://www.infowars.com/governments-corporations-push-cover-up-of-japanese-nuclear-nightmare/

I predict this will be another Chernobyl, and the cover-up of it's severity is costing lives as we speak. I'm dreading the news that comes out in the months and years that follow regarding diseases that come up in the wake of this explosion.

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No it won't.


Radiation is less harmful in the future, I suppose?
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Radiation is less harmful in the future, I suppose?


Radiation has to come out in big doses for it to be dangerous.
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Radiation is less harmful in the future, I suppose?

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#7
Who knows.

It's not like we can do anything about it, and if they are covering it up... well who's going to notice?
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#8
Can't be bothered to read the link, but why would the government hide it?
It's not like it's their fault.
#9
are you kidding me? That's the link you posted?
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#10
I have no worries. The USA has proven to us that the japanese are like ****roaches. They can't be killed by radiation.
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I have no worries. The USA has proven to us that the japanese are like ****roaches. They can't be killed by radiation.


You managed to kill approximately 200 000 civilians.
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#13
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Can't be bothered to read the link, but why would the government hide it?
It's not like it's their fault.


Preventing panic and chaos, and protecting the interests of those who built the reactors.

Apparently, several workers who contributed to the design and construction of this reactor quit due to claims that it's structure was unsafe; placing the rods on top of the reactor itself. They quit the project because they wanted nothing to do with it.
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Preventing panic and chaos, and protecting the interests of those who built the reactors.

Apparently, several workers who contributed to the design and construction of this reactor quit due to claims that it's structure was unsafe; placing the rods on top of the reactor itself. They quit the project because they wanted nothing to do with it.


Source?
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#15
I came here to say that I wish to simply toss an iguana egg into any and all radioactive spots and hope to get a Godzilla like creataion.


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#16
The powerplant at Chernobyl was a piece of shit run by drunken soviets.

The same scenario won't occur at Fukushima.
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#17
"Katrina and other incidents have instructed the people in the uselessness of government and its desire to protect them. Increasingly, people understand they have to be proactive and protect themselves and not rely on a gaggle of self-serving bureaucrats."

doesn't sound biased at all.

here is an article that says the exact opposite


http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

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yes. thats the one.
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Preventing panic and chaos, and protecting the interests of those who built the reactors.

Apparently, several workers who contributed to the design and construction of this reactor quit due to claims that it's structure was unsafe; placing the rods on top of the reactor itself. They quit the project because they wanted nothing to do with it.


Give them a little credit. I'm pretty sure they'd prefer panic than to have their population horribly affected by radiation and even if it's worse than what's being reported, I doubt it's Chernobyl again.
#19
No. Its way too blown up. I have seen multiple sites, very reputable, saying its not that big of a deal. Its a minor nuclear meltdown. Not huge. Its not even a full meltdown. Do you know what a meltdown is? Its when the fuel rods cant be cooled with water, like when an earthquake then tsunami hits and there is no power to fuel the cooling system. Works tried to manually cool it with water, but were too slow. The casings cracked letting hydrogen, which caused the explosion, and some radioactive gases out. The uranium didnt melt through the reactor's vessel or the steel and concrete walls. not much radioactive materials got out. And people in California a buying up on potassium iodine, to be safe, when they dont need it. It wont make it across the pacific. It didnt get up into the trade winds. Wasnt a big enough explosion. They should be spending that money for aid and relief to Japan. People need to stop blowing it out of proportion.
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#20
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You managed to kill approximately 200 000 civilians.


One could argue that, that was from the explosion and the lack of water and food. Really, radiation has 0 effect on these people. Splashing some water on them is far more effective.
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#22
Nice article. I enjoyed all the evidence, and the complete lack of bias.
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"Katrina and other incidents have instructed the people in the uselessness of government and its desire to protect them. Increasingly, people understand they have to be proactive and protect themselves and not rely on a gaggle of self-serving bureaucrats."

doesn't sound biased at all.

here is an article that says the exact opposite


http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/


I never claimed that my source wasn't biased. Alex Jones is a very opinionated man, however his points always hold relevance.

If you want another source, here you go.

Kan urged calm but warned that there was "a very high risk" of more leakage. The prevailing winds had so far swept most of the radioactive plume over the Pacific Ocean instead of populated areas, officials said.

"We are on the brink. We are now facing the worst-case scenario," Hiroaki Koide, a senior reactor engineering specialist at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University, told The New York Times


Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/03/15/Another-fire-reported-at-Japan-nuke-plant/UPI-76371300172400/#ixzz1Gnyrn9f7
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One could argue that, that was from the explosion and the lack of water and food. Really, radiation has 0 effect on these people. Splashing some water on them is far more effective.


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I never claimed that my source wasn't biased. Alex Jones is a very opinionated man, however his points always hold relevance.


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#27
That website screams of conspiracy theories + apocalypse articles.
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#28
I think I'll trust pretty much every person and every news source, most reliable, that I've heard say/report it's not that bad. Meanwhile, you can have my tin foil hat.
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#29
It'll either be really serious, which hopefully it won't.

Or we'll have Japanese X-men.
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#30
chernobyl had no containment units.

so far, all the containment units at this plant are intact, and there hasnt even been a full meltdown of the reactors. its not going to be another chernobyl. take off the tin foil hat man.
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Very serious, globalization isn't some conspiracy, it's very real, and that's what he's mainly accused of being a conspiracy theorist for. If it makes you "uncomfortable" to talk about the military-industrial complex, neoliberal globalization and corporate influence, and how it affects you personally, then I don't recommend listening to him.

On topic, the event isn't over yet. Only yesterday reactor 3 was destroyed, and there continue to be fires within the reactors.


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chernobyl had no containment units.

so far, all the containment units at this plant are intact, and there hasnt even been a full meltdown of the reactors. its not going to be another chernobyl. take off the tin foil hat man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2Aw3komgc

That didn't break the containment unit?
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#32


Forgive my ignorance but I didn't think radiation was so selective in its choice of location. The full scale of the problem is probably being covered up to an extent but that's to be fully expected. Nuclear incidents are always played down because the split opinions on nuclear power make it a highly controversial subject.

also

The map reports a “survey” of the area is currently “underway,” in other words the Japanese government is not reporting the obvious fact the area is contaminated with deadly radiation and it does not want the Japanese people or anybody else to know the full story.


This could be a bigger attempt at fear mongering if it just said "All Japanese people everywhere ever are going to die as a result of this" repeatedly. The article holds no credibility to me thanks to that.

The U.S. military has developed a radiation protection drug known as Ex-Rad, but it is not currently available for the commoners.


surely they could have called it Rad-X or Radaway
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#33
That website reeks of tin foil hat

The Chernobyl reactor was severely outdated (even at the time) and poorly maintained, shit would have to get really bad for this to even come close to another Chernobyl.
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#34
I had a class last semester where we talked about nuclear reactors and the differences in Soviet reactors. My memory is really shitty but the gist of it was that Soviet reactors were a lot more susceptible to meltdown because of the design. A Chernobyl type disaster in the Fukushima reactor should be incredibly unlikely.
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Very serious, globalization isn't some conspiracy, it's very real, and that's what he's mainly accused of being a conspiracy theorist for. If it makes you "uncomfortable" to talk about the military-industrial complex, neoliberal globalization and corporate influence, and how it affects you personally, then I don't recommend listening to him.

On topic, the event isn't over yet. Only yesterday reactor 3 was destroyed, and there continue to be fires within the reactors.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2Aw3komgc

That didn't break the containment unit?


steel reinforced vessel. reactors blew up, not out. and in bold, doesnt he have a show called "Conspiracy Theory"? I think that would be why they call him that.

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chernobyl had no containment units.

so far, all the containment units at this plant are intact, and there hasnt even been a full meltdown of the reactors. its not going to be another chernobyl. take off the tin foil hat man.


I said that.
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Very serious, globalization isn't some conspiracy, it's very real, and that's what he's mainly accused of being a conspiracy theorist for. If it makes you "uncomfortable" to talk about the military-industrial complex, neoliberal globalization and corporate influence, and how it affects you personally, then I don't recommend listening to him.

On topic, the event isn't over yet. Only yesterday reactor 3 was destroyed, and there continue to be fires within the reactors.


You're seriously citing Alex Jones as a credible source? This is a guy who takes a bullhorn to the streets and shouts idiotic theories about 9/11, 7/7 and the illuminati.
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#37
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steel reinforced vessel. reactors blew up, not out. and in bold, doesnt he have a show called "Conspiracy Theory"? I think that would be why they call him that.


...No, he has a show called "The Alex Jones Show." It's his opinion that the government doesn't have the best interests of the people at heart. It's quite difficult to argue that. It's also hard to relate to his enthusiasm and cynicism of modern society, so I understand your point. But his main topic of discussion is New World Order and globalization.

Anyway, back on topic again, I just find it hard to believe that theres an explosion sending metal from the building up into the air with a small mushroom cloud, and somehow the containment chambers are still intact. Not claiming to have intensive knowledge of the design of nuclear reactors, just common sense.


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Yes, he does.
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...No, he has a show called "The Alex Jones Show." It's his opinion that the government doesn't have the best interests of the people at heart. It's quite difficult to argue that. It's also hard to relate to his enthusiasm and cynicism of modern society, so I understand your point. But his main topic of discussion is New World Order and globalization.

Anyway, back on topic again, I just find it hard to believe that theres an explosion sending metal from the building up into the air with a small mushroom cloud, and somehow the containment chambers are still intact. Not claiming to have intensive knowledge of the design of nuclear reactors, just common sense.


It has to do with how the chambers are built. The containment chamber is inside the building that exploded from a hydrogen burst. All the energy went outward as you saw, not inwards. Read the article I linked.

Screw it, Ill post it again.


http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

Also, the new world order theory is the craziest conspiracy of them all.
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#39
At around 11:30 or something like that today my economics teacher got a call from one of his friends on Wallstreet. He said that there was a possibility of a meltdown in a plant in Japan within 2 hours from then. He didn't say which one. I haven't been able to find anything on it until now though.
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...No, he has a show called "The Alex Jones Show." It's his opinion that the government doesn't have the best interests of the people at heart. It's quite difficult to argue that. It's also hard to relate to his enthusiasm and cynicism of modern society, so I understand your point. But his main topic of discussion is New World Order and globalization.

Anyway, back on topic again, I just find it hard to believe that theres an explosion sending metal from the building up into the air with a small mushroom cloud, and somehow the containment chambers are still intact. Not claiming to have intensive knowledge of the design of nuclear reactors, just common sense.


Yes, he does.


different person. I did look at that site though.

look at this
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html
read all of the animation parts. thats exactly what happened. The zirconium around the rods was cracked, releasing hydrogen and other radioactive gas. The hydrogen is highly explosive. All you see is the top blown off of the concrete vessel. had it been a full melt down, the explosion would have been way worse.

EDIT---
and look at the inside of that thing. it has a container in a container. All concrete reinforced with steel. this is nothing.
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