#1
Just as a heads up for everybody, I talked to a Rolf Buschmann at Bugera who says their new amps will be for sale in the US closer to the end of the 2nd quarter of 2011, so just a little more time if you are waiting. I know I am.
#3
The Magician demo at NAMM didn't really showcase any high gain Mark sounds. I have my eyes on that amp!
#4
I'm wondering how the trirec sounds
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#6
When I heard them I was a little dissapointed. I expected high gain metal ( due to them suposedly being mesa clones). When I heard the lead channels they just sounded like a clean channel with a cheap fuzz over. Don't get me wrong, I love Bugera. I have a 1960 and am saving for 333xl or 6262. I do understand that they were not the best recordings so my feeling may change.
#7
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When I heard them I was a little dissapointed. I expected high gain metal ( due to them suposedly being mesa clones). When I heard the lead channels they just sounded like a clean channel with a cheap fuzz over. Don't get me wrong, I love Bugera. I have a 1960 and am saving for 333xl or 6262. I do understand that they were not the best recordings so my feeling may change.

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#8
i would go for a trirec 1 year after its launch,making sure that there arent any technical problems with it
also it should be priced 700$ tops for me to buy it or bad luck bugera
#9
If they do in fact release them in the U.S.A., it will be interesting to see how good they are (or aren't). They've still got FCC Hold notifications listed on all of their as-yet-unreleased tube amps, so I wonder if they will be selling them anytime soon. And then there is that pesky question of whether Mesa has filed an injunction against them for product infringement. We shall see.

They certainly look nice, though.
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#10
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i would go for a trirec 1 year after its launch,making sure that there arent any technical problems with it
also it should be priced 700$ tops for me to buy it or bad luck bugera


A Triple Rec is $2000. I'm pretty sure if it was possible to clone it for that cheap, it would have been done already. The 6262 is half the price of the 6505+. I highly doubt the tried will cost under $1000.
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A Triple Rec is $2000. I'm pretty sure if it was possible to clone it for that cheap, it would have been done already.


A lot of what you're paying for is the price of U.S. labor. If you have it made in China of cheaper materials, you can shave the price down considerably. Also, it isn't a true clone. It won't be part for part; circuit for circuit. It will be "Rectifier-like" at best.

It might still turn out to be a fine amp. Only time will tell.
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#13
These will be interesting for sure... But at $750-1000 retail.... meh.

You can buy used recto's all day for around that. Maybe on the used market a trirec or magician would be pretty sweet, but given the choice between a new bugera or a used mesa for the same price... not a hard decision.

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#14
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A lot of what you're paying for is the price of U.S. labor. If you have it made in China of cheaper materials, you can shave the price down considerably. Also, it isn't a true clone. It won't be part for part; circuit for circuit. It will be "Rectifier-like" at best.

It might still turn out to be a fine amp. Only time will tell.

And none of that cost is paying for the name? Things cost what people will pay, manufacturing costs are almost irrelevant.
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#15
the fact that mesa amps only cost 2k is already amazing. there's enough cost cutting going on in there already.

I'm not looking forward to looking at the insides of a further cost cutted one.
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the fact that mesa amps only cost 2k is already amazing. there's enough cost cutting going on in there already.

I'm not looking forward to looking at the insides of a further cost cutted one.


hehe

spare a thought for us- we get all the cost-cutting but still get the dubious pleasure of paying a vastly inflated price
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hehe

spare a thought for us- we get all the cost-cutting but still get the dubious pleasure of paying a vastly inflated price


diezel me.
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#18
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But at $750-1000 retail.... meh.

You can buy used recto's all day for around that.


thus the paradox...


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diezel me.


hehe

but i mean i don't think diezels are as inflated in the US as mesas are in europe. I could be wrong, though.
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hehe

but i mean i don't think diezels are as inflated in the US as mesas are in europe. I could be wrong, though.


VH4 is $4500 which is like only about £2800, you can get a VH4 for around that rrp

not sure about the other models, but it just seems like a fair swap on the exchange rate. its fair to say we get thoroughly ****ed in the ass by US companies for amps and such really

but for mesa i'd accept little assrape....
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#22
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And none of that cost is paying for the name? Things cost what people will pay, manufacturing costs are almost irrelevant.


Manufacturing, overhead and labor costs are nothing to take lightly; particularly in the U.S.A. and even more so in the state of California. Between the endless permits, taxes and regulations they stick you with here, it is amazing Mesa is allowed to exist at all. But you are right - manufacturers will charge what people will pay. Price a Dumble someday and you'll see how unbelievably crazy this can get.
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#24
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they are 5-8k


I wish they were, my friend. How I wish they were. Stick about US$40,000.00 in front of that and you're in Dumble Overdrive Special territory. The last Dumble ODS I saw sold by a boutique amp dealer in New York went for $48,000.00. I've seen them advertised here in L.A. in the last few years for well over $50,000.00, and I've heard rumors of them going as high as $75,000.00.

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#26
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VH4 is $4500 which is like only about £2800, you can get a VH4 for around that rrp

not sure about the other models, but it just seems like a fair swap on the exchange rate. its fair to say we get thoroughly ****ed in the ass by US companies for amps and such really


yeah i mean the last i checked, diezels (apart from the einstein and maybe the schmidt) were well over £2000. I mean when the pound was strong against the euro, iirc, they were £2200 (and that's when 65p bought you a euro, now it's more like 85p).



I mean sure, they're probably slightly cheaper in europe, but nothing like the difference in mesa between the USA and europe, where they're almost double in europe.
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#27
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I mean sure, they're probably slightly cheaper in europe, but nothing like the difference in mesa between the USA and europe, where they're almost double in europe.


yeah thats kinda what i was trying to say, even tho they get screwed on Diezel and ENGL we get screwed over on more stuff and far more drastically than they do
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#28
With diezel prices i dont think there is much in it maybe a tad more in the states but with mesa prices in europe they are about the same as the diezels depending on what models you're looking at nuff said
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yeah thats kinda what i was trying to say, even tho they get screwed on Diezel and ENGL we get screwed over on more stuff and far more drastically than they do


yeah, i was agreeing with you. That's exactly right.
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#30
Hello my guitar friends

I have a question about Bugera Trirec / 333XL and Magician

I just found this amps and they have great sound and PRICE!!

But I am worried about 1 or 2 thinks

Can I switch in Trirec modes on 2 and 3 channels ?All have 3 modes vintage,clasic,modern
and clean channel has drive mode.

Can I switch them by footswitch or I must use midi switcher ??????

333XL has for 2 a 3 channel FAT mode.Is it switchable by Footswitch too ????

Thank you for answer

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http://www.bugera-amps.com/PDF/Downloads/TRIREC_INFINIUM_WebBrochure_V2.pdf
I read this "manual" but I did not found what I looking for :-(

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