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#1
Yep, looks like the U.S. and it's allies (France, United Kingdom and two unnamed Middle Eastern countries) have declared war on Libya and are backing the rebels against Gaddafi's regime. Thoughts? I personally support this war, seeing as Gaddafi is a pretty horrible leader and human being.

Sources:
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/18/why-are-we-going-to-war-with-libya/

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/17/war-with-libya-looms/
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#2
Hooray for the always successful process of US intervention in the middle east!
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I wasn't sure if they would or not. I don't care as long as we get out once it's done. It isn't our job to police the world. Help them overthrow their shitty leader and leave them to their own devices.

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#6
It's exactly like the original incident in Iraq.
Gaddafi=Saddam.
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#7
honestly, would it kill the US to keep their noses out of everyone's business just for once?
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I wasn't sure if they would or not. I don't care as long as we get out once it's done. It isn't our job to police the world. Help them overthrow their shitty leader and leave them to their own devices.


I agree with this. Once Gaddafi leaves, we leave.


Also, *insert conspiracy theory involving the USA and Libya, supplier of a small % of oil*
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honestly, would it kill the US to keep their noses out of everyone's business just for once?

This is more the British and the French's doing.
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This is more the British and the French's doing.

From what I've heard, we didn't even want to mess with it until France kept pushing for the no fly zone and stuff. I don't keep up with it but I hear bits and pieces.

I love how people immediately assume the US is crusading in for oil. People hate us for intervening and the Libyans get pissed at us for not helping.
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#12
why exactly does the U.S. have the unquenchable urge to get involved in EVERY war available, and **** it up at the same time (skip WW II)

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#14
Yeah the US really hasn't been to keen on this so it's not fair to criticise.

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I love how people immediately assume the US is crusading in for oil. People hate us for intervening and the Libyans get pissed at us for not helping.


Actually it's far from clear what the Libyans want.
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#15
Yeah, I have nothing better to do at work than read BBC all day.... Your first article, and most of you, act like it's a US plot to invade. Really, it's a UN resolution, proposed by France--who so far seems to have taken the most militant stance on the issue--and the UK, to give Gadaffi an ultimatum to stop attacking civilians or face military intervention. The US hasn't declared war and isn't even sending in ground forces. Poland is providing logistical support, and Qatar is in on it was well.

Unless you prefer your conspiracies, all the US is doing is supporting what the rest of the UN decided to do. Even China and Russia abstained from voting rather than exercise their veto.
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Because Libya is so totally a Middle-Eastern country.
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why exactly does the U.S. have the unquenchable urge to get involved in EVERY war available, and **** it up at the same time (skip WW II)

Okay, read the post about England and France. Still blaiming the U.S.


But the SAS were there before anyone else, and they made the call not to take anyone out which was probably the best decision. Now we all go marching in and shit will hit the fan, I guarantee this will get messy.
#21
Provided that this is actually the humanitarian mission that it claims to be, then it's great to see this intervention. However there is the danger that afterwards it'll become another imperialist endeavor, but I hope not. We've got to take it at face value for now.
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Because Libya is so totally a Middle-Eastern country.


Its a dump and full of people with brown skin. BIIIIIIIIIIG difference.


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Yeah the US really hasn't been to keen on this so it's not fair to criticise.


Actually it's far from clear what the Libyans want.

Not according to CNN.


After so many countries say we should get rid of these dictators and the Libyans revolt, I would think they would appreciate help from the people who kept talking about it. Not doing it for them or staying after the war, just support.

And everyone still blaming the US for...Doing nothing so far.
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Actually, many people in the US don't want to get involved. However, whenever there's a world crisis, we're the first called on to clean it up. We have problems of our own. We can't handle another unilateral war.
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Provided that this is actually the humanitarian mission that it claims to be, then it's great to see this intervention. However there is the danger that afterwards it'll become another imperialist endeavor, but I hope not. We've got to take it at face value for now.


I find it hard to imagine it just being an immediate pulling out once gadaffi is deposed (if that's the way it plays out).
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#29
It would be beneficial if people would read about the situation and research the history of said areas in order to put the current situation into context before accusing the US of being warmongers.

If anything, the US is getting the short end of the stick in terms of the countries participating. They'll probably be the backbone of any intervention (air power/naval power). That means $$$.
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I find it hard to imagine it just being an immediate pulling out once gadaffi is deposed (if that's the way it plays out).

It doesn't need to be immediate, just so long as the US (or France or the UK or anyone else) don't attempt to insert their own government as they have something of a tendency to do.
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Okay, read the post about England and France. Still blaiming the U.S.


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It doesn't need to be immediate, just so long as the US (or France or the UK or anyone else) don't attempt to insert their own government as they have something of a tendency to do.


Not necessarily insert their own government but do you really think it's likely they won't take a condescending and paternalistic concerned interest in the establishment of a new Libyan state if they already have a presence in the area?
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Not necessarily insert their own government but do you really think it's likely they won't take a condescending and paternalistic concerned interest in the establishment of a new Libyan state if they already have a presence in the area?

Nope, hence my worry. I'm just attempting to be optimistic.
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It doesn't need to be immediate, just so long as the US (or France or the UK or anyone else) don't attempt to insert their own government as they have something of a tendency to do.

The rebels already have a government being established and have already achieved recognition from France as a legitimate government.

I don't think this is the same scenario as Afghanistan or Iraq where NATO or, in the latter case, the US, had to setup governments in order to get the new system rolling.

Either way, anything that the West attempts to do there will be bastardized by people anyways. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
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#35
No one has declared war on Libya..
And there's already a thread on this.
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I wasn't sure if they would or not. I don't care as long as we get out once it's done. It isn't our job to police the world. Help them overthrow their shitty leader and leave them to their own devices.


Thank you for informing us. We had no idea.


Yes lets run in their and destabilize the region even more and then just dip after the leader is gone.
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Yes lets run in their and destabilize the region even more and then just dip after the leader is gone.

It's not really our fault for the destabilization when they're already in a civil war with each other. I don't think anyone expects us to hang around afterwards.
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Yes lets run in their and destabilize the region even more and then just dip after the leader is gone.

Sure. Let them sort it out. Take care of the guy killing his own people and let them take it where they will. It's their damn country. It just pisses everyone off when people commit war crimes in plain sight.
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Sure. Let them sort it out. Take care of the guy killing his own people and let them take it where they will. It's their damn country. It just pisses everyone off when people commit war crimes in plain sight.


I dont think you caught the point
#40
Théré's ónlý óné áccént in "resumé" ffs.

Seriously, I support this war.
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