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#1
What's the Pit's opinion on the Make-A-Wish Foundation?
I mean, on one hand, helping to fulfill a dying child's dream is great....
But on the other hand, and this sounds really harsh and cruel, the money could be better spent.
By doing some ace detective work (going to their website), I was able to ascertain that the average wish, as of March '09, costs 7,362USD.
I don't know how many wishes were granted it total, but that's a few metric assloads of money that could have been used to save lives rather than give joy to those that are about to end.
I know I sound like a giant dickhead now, like a guy who is trying to prevent dying children from having fun ever again, but isn't saving lives just more important?

Discuss.

TL;DR I'm a giant dickhead looking to suck fun from dying children.

Now that that's out of the way, serious opinions anyone?
#2
The children would really appreciate it. It's their last joy.

Furthermore, the healthcare system takes care of the unfortunate who suddenly need some urgent care. At least it does so most western European countries. I don't know much about the medicaid system, but a lot of your budget money goes into it. (It's only a few billion dollar less than the military budget.) How does the medicaid actually work?

Also, you could donate to more than one charity.
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#3
Yeah, maybe it could be spent on other things, but these kids are never going to get the chance to do any of these things on their own. And you know, if some poor (literally poor) kid with terminal cancer wants to go to Disneyland and Disney won't let them go for free, then I think that the charity is a good way to make it work for everyone.
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#4
whos to say we arent all dying? they are just dying sooner, so why not give them a lifes worth of joy in the shorter amount of time?
#5
The Make-A-Wish foundation doesn't only give stuff to dying kids. I know a girl who had cancer and she got to make a wish (I'm not sure what she actually did though) and she's still alive today.
I don't think its a waste either, and its not like people are forced to give them money either
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whos to say we arent all dying? they are just dying sooner, so why not give them a lifes worth of joy in the shorter amount of time?




That's an inconsequential point, and by your logic, life is a terminal disease, and hence everybody between 2.5 and 17 years of age qualifies for the Foundation.
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The Make-A-Wish foundation doesn't only give stuff to dying kids. I know a girl who had cancer and she got to make a wish (I'm not sure what she actually did though) and she's still alive today.
I don't think its a waste either, and its not like people are forced to give them money either


I got the impression from their website that they only grant wishes to those patients whom the doctor says are likely to die.
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That's an inconsequential point, and by your logic, life is a terminal disease, and hence everybody between 2.5 and 17 years of age qualifies for the Foundation.

who said life was a terminal disease. who says you can be dying? who says you arent always just living and you die, not a prolonged dying. so kids who dont get to live as long and suffer crappy lives should get a little going away wish
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who said life was a terminal disease. who says you can be dying? who says you arent always just living and you die, not a prolonged dying. so kids who dont get to live as long and suffer crappy lives should get a little going away wish


I'm quoting you here: "whos to say we arent all dying? they are just dying sooner, so why not give them a lifes worth of joy in the shorter amount of time?"

What you said is that life is a terminal illness, but these kids are dying sooner.

And I'm NOT saying these kids don't deserve a break. On my personal priority list, saving lives is somewhere above giving a terminally ill child pleasure and somewhere below finding my last goddam pick that I dropped on my floor I don't understand where the **** it could possibly be I looked everywhere.
#10
It's not a waste. I see your point, but if it was your kid dying of cancer and you had no money... would you see it as a waste?

Think about it.

What we need to do is cut defense spending in half (or more) and end the drug war entirely. THAT would save lives.
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It's not a waste. I see your point, but if it was your kid dying of cancer and you had no money... would you see it as a waste?

Think about it.

What we need to do is cut defense spending in half (or more) and end the drug war entirely. THAT would save lives.


Bolded is not the point and is pretty irrelevant. Post your political opinions in another thread. I want to stay on topic.

And your comment about it being my kid, that's counter-intuitive. Imagining yourself in the situation is the worst way to make a rational, logical decision.

I'm not asking if this is worth the money in the smiles they bring to the child's face.
#14
I'm sure there are plenty of ways to donate for saving lives too.
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I got the impression from their website that they only grant wishes to those patients whom the doctor says are likely to die.

Maybe its different in Australia then. Here I'm pretty sure its just if they have a serious condition, but not necessarily lethal (cancer, leukaemia etc)
#17
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From my utilitarian leaning perspective it does seem like a waste.
I also don't understand what the purpose of granting a child their last "wish" does for the child.
If I were dying the last thing I would want is a reminder of how much awesomeness I'm leaving behind.
Any thoughts?

didn't think about that

that would upset me pretty bad
#19
There are plenty of charities that cover all aspects. If people want to donate their money to give a child their dieing wish then good on them. You can't just say "NO YOU MUST DONATE TO THIS CHARITY"

It's their money they can do as they please with it.
#20
Where does the money that's spent on each child go?

Well, it obviously goes to whoever is providing whatever is needed to make the child's wish come true, people who have built up businesses that just happen to be in the right place at the right time depending upon the wish being fulfilled. They in turn often have employees, people who have families to support, who spend the money on food in supermarkets or fuel to keep them warm in winter or even luxury items.... all bought from firms and companies that employ people, people who have families to support, ect, ect.

It's called an economy, the money goes around and around, so long as the money stays in the economy, it is never really wasted, unless of course it's spent on something that causes suffering to others.
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#21
Willpower, optimism and something to live for usually makes some kids stronger in order to beat cancer.. It has happened numerous times and will keep happening.. I'm not saying that seeing Madonna or Lady Gaga in a Prosciutto helmet is doing that but hey, at least it's something optimistic and makes em happy.
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#22
I used to have this quote in my sig for the longest time: "There's no point in living if you can't feel alive." - 007, The World is Not Enough

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#23
I kinda agree with you TS, but the way I see it:

People choose to give their money to the charity, because they want to make terminally-ill children happy. They're not giving their money to other charities: perhaps they don't give to charities for homelessness and drug abuse because they think it's the people concerned who are to blame, and they don't give to certain medical charities because they oppose animal testing. So it's their money and you shouldn't judge them for choosing to give to one charity rather than another.
#24
My niece and her family benefited from a Make-a-Wish foundation grant for a trip to Disney World. She was 13 and had bone cancer. It was the only happy moment in her final 6 months for her and her parents.
Thank you Make-a-Wish.
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My niece and her family benefited from a Make-a-Wish foundation grant for a trip to Disney World. She was 13 and had bone cancer. It was the only happy moment in her final 6 months for her and her parents.
Thank you Make-a-Wish.


How can anyone call that a waste of money?
#26
i saw something quite amusing on a Keech hospice foundation (terminal kids) poster. It was advertising a midnight walk, and then i saw it...

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#27
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How can anyone call that a waste of money?

You would have to be a heartless bastard.

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That's too funny.
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#28
Like people have said, it's your choice if you want to donate, no-one's forcing you to. I, personally, think that it isn't a waste of money, these people might have less than six months to live and they won't experience the joys that someone who has lived to forty or fifty might, so there's nothing wrong with trying to make their last moments joyous. It's a completely heartless thing to say that it's pointless.
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#29
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Like people have said, it's your choice if you want to donate, no-one's forcing you to. I, personally, think that it isn't a waste of money, these people might have less than six months to live and they won't experience the joys that someone who has lived to forty or fifty might, so there's nothing wrong with trying to make their last moments joyous. It's a completely heartless thing to say that it's pointless.

You make it sound like 40 or 50 is the end of the road.
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You make it sound like 40 or 50 is the end of the road.


That's exactly what I was thinking.

It must be our age.
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You make it sound like 40 or 50 is the end of the road.

I re-read it and it did sound like that but I couldn't be bothered to change it.
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That's not funny on any level.
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#34
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That's not funny on any level.


Agreed.
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#35
I don't know who funds the Make a Wish foundation but if anyone is worried about taxpayer dollars, $7000 is still far less than the public money applied to a person who has lived a longer life.

I don't really care about the money though. If you can make a kid happy in his/her final moments than I think it's more than worth it.

edit: durr for some reason I thought it was a public program.
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#36
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I'm quoting you here: "whos to say we arent all dying? they are just dying sooner, so why not give them a lifes worth of joy in the shorter amount of time?"

What you said is that life is a terminal illness, but these kids are dying sooner.

And I'm NOT saying these kids don't deserve a break. On my personal priority list, saving lives is somewhere above giving a terminally ill child pleasure and somewhere below finding my last goddam pick that I dropped on my floor I don't understand where the **** it could possibly be I looked everywhere.


I might be going to hell for this... but I laughed so hard at that statement.

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#37
It's not the sort of charity I'd give money to, but other people care about different things.
#38
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What's the Pit's opinion on the Make-A-Wish Foundation?
I mean, on one hand, helping to fulfill a dying child's dream is great....
But on the other hand, and this sounds really harsh and cruel, the money could be better spent.
By doing some ace detective work (going to their website), I was able to ascertain that the average wish, as of March '09, costs 7,362USD.
I don't know how many wishes were granted it total, but that's a few metric assloads of money that could have been used to save lives rather than give joy to those that are about to end.
I know I sound like a giant dickhead now, like a guy who is trying to prevent dying children from having fun ever again, but isn't saving lives just more important?

Discuss.

TL;DR I'm a giant dickhead looking to suck fun from dying children.

Now that that's out of the way, serious opinions anyone?


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#40
Surely, if you feel that your money could be better used by a different charity, then you could just donate to a different charity. This one is for people who feel strongly about this particular subject, and these people may not necessarily feel strong enough about other causes to donate their own money towards them, if they weren't already contributing to Make-A-Wish. It's not 'wasted' at all.
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