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#41
Quote by steven seagull
There's no point doing this for an exercise like chromatics - the whole point of this method is for learning a piece of music. Ideally it should be a whole song, but at the very least a solo.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained from spending 21 days working on the 1234 exercise, if you're going to spend 21 days grinding something you at least want to have achieved something by the end of it.


Chromatics are fine. It also increases your overall speed a ton.
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#42
That guy from the original forum that said to practice it slow for 1 hour, I don't know how my hand/wrist would handle that. i can barely do half and hour.
#43
Im just starting guitar, I guess I could learn a few songs and play like this and see how well I can play at the end of the 21 days!
#44
alright its day 3 of the experiment for me. just a question, even though i'm learning the song at ridiculously slow speed right now, i still tend to make a few mistakes here and there. i have a feeling its due to some bad habits i have formed over the past few months from impatience and bad practice.
should i carry on learning at this pace and perhaps the bad habits would eventually be corrected? or should i be trying something else to correct the bad habits?
#45
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Chromatics are fine. It also increases your overall speed a ton.

No it doesn't, all it does is increase your speed at playing chromatics.

We play the guitar to make music, not do exercises - the 21 day method is an exercise in discipline and the end result is to be able to play your chosen piece perfectly at the correct speed.

There's absolutely no point doing it with chromatics because you're not going to achieve anything useful.
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#46
Quote by steven seagull
No it doesn't, all it does is increase your speed at playing chromatics.

We play the guitar to make music, not do exercises - the 21 day method is an exercise in discipline and the end result is to be able to play your chosen piece perfectly at the correct speed.

There's absolutely no point doing it with chromatics because you're not going to achieve anything useful.



+1, You're only used to the 4 note per string pattern that way and you will have trouble with 3 note ones if you're not really proficient at it.
#47
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#48
I did something similar to the 21 day idea (I took a month) for learning Symphony of Destruction.
To my surprise, now I can play that solo pretty well, which was nearly impossible to me before.

I'll try 21 days with Megadeth's Tornado of Souls
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#50
I'll try Battery :P

So basically all I do is practice the song 20 BPM slower than it is, then after 21 days of practising, I speed up to normal speed?
#51
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I'll try Battery :P

So basically all I do is practice the song 20 BPM slower than it is, then after 21 days of practising, I speed up to normal speed?


If you already can play the song in the normal tempo then yes. But if you cant you must find the tempo where you can play the song and then do -20bpm and practice at that speed.

Lets say your song is 150bpm and you can play the song at 120 bpm then you practice it at 100bpm in 21 days.

Thats how i understood it and thats how i am doing.
#52
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If you already can play the song in the normal tempo then yes. But if you cant you must find the tempo where you can play the song and then do -20bpm and practice at that speed.

Lets say your song is 150bpm and you can play the song at 120 bpm then you practice it at 100bpm in 21 days.

Thats how i understood it and thats how i am doing.


Ok, should do me a world of good. I can do the Battery riff okay at full speed, but can be sloppy, this should be fun. I might also try this with the Trooper solo, I need to patch up some parts of that.
#53
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#54
It's been 3 days of 30 minutes a day and I now play Snow subconsciously without even thinking about it. Almost fell asleep.

Oh ya and i play it perfectly the whole time at 52 BPM (half asleep)
#55
Damn people said snow before me, but you know what I don't give a damn. I'm in and i'm gonna do snow, I started learning last weekend and I can play it quite fast but it's too sloppy so it's my choice too. It's funny how certain songs keep getting chosen by multiple people. ADD ME TO THE LIST I SAY!
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#56
Haven't really paid attention to this thread lately, so I'm updating the list and answering some questions.

Im just starting guitar, I guess I could learn a few songs and play like this and see how well I can play at the end of the 21 days!


Great! Now we get to see if it works for beginners too! (I don't see why it wouldn't, but...)

alright its day 3 of the experiment for me. just a question, even though i'm learning the song at ridiculously slow speed right now, i still tend to make a few mistakes here and there. i have a feeling its due to some bad habits i have formed over the past few months from impatience and bad practice.
should i carry on learning at this pace and perhaps the bad habits would eventually be corrected? or should i be trying something else to correct the bad habits?


You should play it 20 bpm slower than the fastest speed you can play it perfectly. So, yeah... go even ridiculously slower...

Chromatics are fine. It also increases your overall speed a ton.


No it doesn't, all it does is increase your speed at playing chromatics.

We play the guitar to make music, not do exercises - the 21 day method is an exercise in discipline and the end result is to be able to play your chosen piece perfectly at the correct speed.

There's absolutely no point doing it with chromatics because you're not going to achieve anything useful.

OK. Fine. You got your point across. But I still say that if you want to learn the chromatic scale faster, than this applies too.

I did something similar to the 21 day idea (I took a month) for learning Symphony of Destruction.
To my surprise, now I can play that solo pretty well, which was nearly impossible to me before.

I'll try 21 days with Megadeth's Tornado of Souls


The longer, the better, of course... And cool choice of song by the way.

I'll try Battery :P

So basically all I do is practice the song 20 BPM slower than it is, then after 21 days of practising, I speed up to normal speed?


If you already can play the song in the normal tempo then yes. But if you cant you must find the tempo where you can play the song and then do -20bpm and practice at that speed.

Lets say your song is 150bpm and you can play the song at 120 bpm then you practice it at 100bpm in 21 days.

Thats how i understood it and thats how i am doing.


Yeah, you got it. Sorry I didn't clear that up .

It's been 3 days of 30 minutes a day and I now play Snow subconsciously without even thinking about it. Almost fell asleep.

Oh ya and i play it perfectly the whole time at 52 BPM (half asleep)


See how easy it is? If you can play it half asleep in three days, then after the 21 days, you'll be able to play the song half-dead.

It's funny how certain songs keep getting chosen by multiple people.


Lol, true dat.
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#57
4 days and i can already play this song much more accurate i havnt yet tried at full speed but it feels like i can easy go up 30-35 bpm and play with no errors.
#58
ill try it with diary of a madman
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#59
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Damn people said snow before me, but you know what I don't give a damn. I'm in and i'm gonna do snow, I started learning last weekend and I can play it quite fast but it's too sloppy so it's my choice too. It's funny how certain songs keep getting chosen by multiple people. ADD ME TO THE LIST I SAY!

No i think it's only me and you practicing snow. I tired speeding up after you of my 30 minute session and i could play it about full speed but a tad sloppy. Can't wait to see what it's like after 21

EDIT: I forgot to do it yesterday so will it still work if i do an hour today to make up?
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#60
Well I am rubbish at guitar really, I can't play anything much, and the solo to The Final countdown looks impossible to me so I am practising that, I started yesterday and I can play it at about 20bpm (instead of 120) =D
#61
i think i've lost the determination of the practicing the song. so you can probably remove me from the list. i haven't practiced the song in like 4 days
#62
I'll do it.
Not sure what song. I'll come back with one though
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#64
Its a good idea in general but a complete waste of time. So your basically taking 2-3 months to learn a song. practicing something for 3 weeks straight with no raise in incriment will do nothing but have you know the song at a slower speed. So what? The point of an exercise is to increase when your comfortable with movement... not stay the same, otherwise you will never progress.
#65
So how is it going? Its soon 21 days and i can play my song way faster than before. Still not att full tempo tho.
#66
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Its a good idea in general but a complete waste of time. So your basically taking 2-3 months to learn a song. practicing something for 3 weeks straight with no raise in incriment will do nothing but have you know the song at a slower speed. So what? The point of an exercise is to increase when your comfortable with movement... not stay the same, otherwise you will never progress.


I agree..yesterday I took a little fast part of the intro and the 1st verse from laid to rest and set them up in powertab to just repeat over and over. I started at 60bpm (originally 120) without ever being able to play them and now after just going over it again and again I can play both at 90bpm today. It's just pretty much common sense to start slow and work your way up to getting faster. The problem I see in this 21 days thing is just being able to play this for 21 days straight. Normally I get bored of playing a song after a day and have to move on and try something else before coming back to it and trying it again.
#67
yeah i dont get it either
if you can already play it perfectly, why would you decrease the speed?
since its PERFECT
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#68
It's a mental thing. If your brain is so used to an activity, the activity will be like second nature.

Look at it this way, You brush your teeth every day (hopefully). When you are brushing them do you actually have to think to yourself and say "Now I should clean the sides of my teeth" or do you just do it?

That is the reasoning behind this method. It's 21 days because scientists belive that's how long the brain needs before it actually becomes a habit.

This also works on brand new guitarists. If you watch them progress 21 days, around that amount of time they will get one of those "Bursts" in skill. I'm sure this happened to you at some point, right? You suddenly realize that you got a little bit better.

I'm not saying this method WILL work, but it's just a more scientific way of practicing.
#69
Listen guys. This I've stickied this thread because its an interesting idea.

This thread is not to discuss weather its a good idea, bad idea, rubbish idea.
The point is, you practice your song for 21 days and report on the progress in hope that it will improve guitarists skills.

Complaining and saying how much of a rubbish idea will be seen as spam.
You know what happens to spammers.
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#70
alright guys, just reporting back. i have to admit i sort of lost the determination to go through the whole experiment. but i would have to admit this experiment does have some merit. for one i have definately improved in learning the song i was trying to learn. i can play it well at about 50% of the original speed. i wasn't disciplined enough to practise the song perfectly everyday for an hour. i sort of got bored after a while and raised the tempo and practised a little sloppily.
but all in all, i suppose this way of learning does indeed work.
#71
Oh my god, I can't believe it's stickied! Anyway, I'm updating the list again. To be honest... And yes, it's quite a shame... I've lost determination to practice my songs a LONG time ago. I joined/made a new band, and I'm pretty busy with school work too, but I am definitely going to watch how this whole thing progresses and if it really did turn out to be a good (but boring) way of practicing.
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#73
sup sander lol (that's asfastasdark's name in real life btw i can only call him that got it??!?!) Its me rob im going to practice slayer blackmagic for 21 days w00t!!!! I am going to call you l8tr bye dude good job on sticky!!!
#74
Lol, thanks Rob... (Real-life friend ) you do that... And yes my real name is Sander.
Anyway guys, I'm just trying to finish up some songs for our band here (Freedom and its Way), and add lyrics to them, but the school year is almost over (two more weeks! ) so things will be speeding up soon!
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#75
well set it at say 40 beats per minute. and in between every click you hit 4 notes. so if it goes click click click you should have picked a string or multiple strings 8 times to put it into easiest terms
#76
Can i use the Metronome while trying to get fast at playing "My Dick"? I'm really slow at it right now.
#77
this sounds really interesting..
can i sign up at any time? or did it have to be right back at the start??
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#79
Im also in!

Im quite fresh player (since january minus one month when i had to give back borrowed guitar and still havent money for my own) but i think i will set the bar quite high witch choosing:

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#80
So I guess it is time for me to put up my results. For The Love Of God please read either this post or the video description to know what is going on.

I thought I would make it interesting and also compare it to a few other training methods. For each training method, I'll start at the speed I was able to play the lick at first then speed up until it becomes unnecessarily sloppy - so you can compare the gains made overall, and those made while retaining accuracy. I'll only play small sections of each song for the sake of time.

01. 21 Day Method - One Speed
01. I practiced the insane string skipping solo from Racer X's Scarified at a single speed for the 21 days.

02. 21 Day Method - Burst
02. I practiced the arpeggio section from Jason Becker's Altitudes mostly at a single speed, with a burst in speed - to the maximum possible - every 10 to 20 times through it.

03. Gradual Method - No Burst
03. I practiced one of Paul Gilbert's signature licks by gradually upping the tempo once I had played it cleanly five times.

04. Gradual Method - Burst
04. I practiced the Bach inspired section of Racer X's Scarified - as well as the rest of the song sans solo - sticking generally to the Gradual Method but also throwing in a speed burst every 10 to 20 times through it.

05. Noob Method
05. Just to really emphasize that all of these practice methods have their merits - which may not be apparent since I can't play in front of a camera at all, I decided to try learning the Iron Man solo with only full speed attempts - and it really sucks. I don't even bother to finish it since you guys get the point within a few seconds.

You guys can judge which one seems to be most efficient. To put things into context, I've been playing guitar for a little over 2 years and have practiced: alternate picking for 1.5 years, string skipping for 1 year, and sweep picking for 0.5 years.

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