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#1
What has this world come to?

http://www.rondomusic.com/9.String.Guitars.html

Dayum nature, you scary!

But seriously. 9 strings on a guitar, thats crazy. I know some people have 11 string basses, but still... I think 9 strings is just too many. 8 strings are about as far as I could imagine playing on a guitar.
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#2
9 Stings are nothing like 7 or 8 string guitars. 9 strings are like half 6 sting half twelve string. The first 3 strings are normal and the last 3 have 2 for each string like a 12 string, thus the guitar has 9 string. Mastodon used them in Crack the Skye and other songs on that album.
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9 Stings are nothing like 7 or 8 string guitars. 9 strings are like half 6 sting half twelve string. The first 3 strings are normal and the last 3 have 2 for each string like a 12 string, thus the guitar has 9 string. Mastodon used them in Crack the Skye and other songs on that album.


Did you even look at the link...?

And my opinion is, like everything, they have their uses. I've been gas'n for an Agile 8 String for a while now.
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... OH DEAR GOD! I don't even think there are amps that con handle that low e
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Ridiculous. How low can ya go?


Everyone is going to have to become a virtuoso and memorize all of hundreds of scale shapes now to play the guitars of 2030 with their 14 string+ variants.
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... OH DEAR GOD! I don't even think there are amps that con handle that low e

Then how do we bass players do it...?


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9 Stings are nothing like 7 or 8 string guitars. 9 strings are like half 6 sting half twelve string. The first 3 strings are normal and the last 3 have 2 for each string like a 12 string, thus the guitar has 9 string. Mastodon used them in Crack the Skye and other songs on that album.


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Ridiculous. How low can ya go?


Everyone is going to have to become a virtuoso and memorize all of hundreds of scale shapes now to play the guitars of 2030 with their 14 string+ variants.


Alternatively you can learn the intervals of a scale and never have to worry about shapes
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Then how do we bass players do it...?


Well I mean, If run that through a guitar amp be mud. But Like The 6 string part will just sound terrible in a bass amp.
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Yeah that 9th string would probably just be too much. But since I use bass amps as my guitar amps - my amps would handle it just fine I even have a dedicated amp just for the bass frequencies of my guitar ^_^. Ive pretty much eliminated the need for a bassist, with just a 6 string lol, and it sounds better than any tube amp Ive played ^_^.


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Well I mean, If run that through a guitar amp be mud. But Like The 6 string part will just sound terrible in a bass amp.



No.. you could just use a bass cab with a guitar amp.. or just split the frequencies like I did.
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I'd like a 9 string to be more like a regular 8-string but with a high A. That would imo be a bit better than just another one below usual.
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Alternatively you can learn the intervals of a scale and never have to worry about shapes



Too much effort learning intervals - I'll go with shapes and shape memorization, not trying to be the next shred god here
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Yeah that 9th string would probably just be too much. But since I use bass amps as my guitar amps - my amps would handle it just fine I even have a dedicated amp just for the bass frequencies of my guitar ^_^. Ive pretty much eliminated the need for a bassist, with just a 6 string lol.

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Alternatively you can learn the intervals of a scale and never have to worry about shapes

+1


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Well I mean, If run that through a guitar amp be mud. But Like The 6 string part will just sound terrible in a bass amp.


Not necessarily.

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Too much effort learning intervals - I'll go with shapes and shape memorization, not trying to be the next shred god here


Shapes are just intervals without the numbers. You're both talking about the same thing.
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Too much effort learning intervals - I'll go with shapes and shape memorization, not trying to be the next shred god here


Bah its harder learning a million difference shapes is harder than just knowing the order that the notes go, and apply it to the fretboard. Im by no means perfect, but Ive found it way easier, and helps with improv.
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#19
I think you'd need a bass amp for those. Holy crap.
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No, you can read about the equipment in my "Presenting: Awesome" thread, I need a recording interface so I can record decently. It sounds ah-MAZING. The only way it could get better is to replace the amp that handles my top-end with something like a Peavey 6505 or Splawn/Engl/etc
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#21
Most 9 string guitarists (to my knowledge) go 2 strings lower (B, F#) and one higher (A, maybe G) and use the extended range for soloing AND riffing. Also, 8 string work just fine through a guitar amp...i'm running a Pod HD300 into the effects loops of a Peavey 112 Bandit and it sounds fine.
However, though range isn't an issue, scale is. At that scale (i'm assuming it's the 30") it'd be difficult to get a decent tone on the high A, however it's a very good scale length for Drop E (like Tosin Abasi/Animals as Leaders). If I were to go 9, i'd definitely get something like a 25.5" - 28.625" multi-scale/fanned fret guitar.
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Most 9 string guitarists (to my knowledge) go 2 strings lower (B, F#) and one higher (A, maybe G) and use the extended range for soloing AND riffing. Also, 8 string work just fine through a guitar amp...i'm running a Pod HD300 into the effects loops of a Peavey 112 Bandit and it sounds fine.
However, though range isn't an issue, scale is. At that scale (i'm assuming it's the 30") it'd be difficult to get a decent tone on the high A, however it's a very good scale length for Drop E (like Tosin Abasi/Animals as Leaders). If I were to go 9, i'd definitely get something like a 25.5" - 28.625" multi-scale/fanned fret guitar.


tosin abasi is ridic.


so is aal....just realized they are one and the same...
#23
Can anyone explain the thing about guitars being able to play low in guitar amps but why basses blow them out? nobody ever really got me to understand it.

also old news and ERG haters suck


EDIT: I don't think many 9 string guys would go for high a or g as it's hard enough getting high A at 25.5. A lot of the ERG market is aimed at br00tz if you ask me, and a lot of them are into the djentydjent chug chug thing you know? fortunately there are cool guys like tosin who can play good stuff w/o just using the bottom 3 strings
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Can anyone explain the thing about guitars being able to play low in guitar amps but why basses blow them out? nobody ever really got me to understand it.

also old news and ERG haters suck


EDIT: I don't think many 9 string guys would go for high a or g as it's hard enough getting high A at 25.5. A lot of the ERG market is aimed at br00tz if you ask me, and a lot of them are into the djentydjent chug chug thing you know? fortunately there are cool guys like tosin who can play good stuff w/o just using the bottom 3 strings


Yes but I havent seen too many commercial offerings for 9 string guitars. Which is why I posted this.

Im sure a 9 string playing very loudly on a normal guitar amp would blow the speakers if they arent very sturdy. Guitar speakers arent designed to replicate low frequencies, so when they vibrate to create sound, they have to vibrate harder to replicate those frequencies, so they blow from overexertion.

Bass speakers are usually sturdier, and have different designs, and speaker widths.

If you want a speaker that can handle everything, I highly suggest a Hartke VX1508.

It had a 15" speaker, 2 8" speakers, and a horn. Plus it had 350 watt power handling, so no normal guitar amp is going to blow it.

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#26
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... OH DEAR GOD! I don't even think there are amps that con handle that low e



My guitbass is tuned to C# (below the low e on bass)
My guitar amp can handle that perfectly fine.

As long as it has guitar pickups it is fine. [fitted with a Davison 7 string bridge pickup]

[low to high, C# G# C# G# C# G#]I call it the Tri octave Drop Tune. :p


Note to those are a bit freaked by these things: They lowest string is only two notes below a regular 8 string equivalent to Drop E. it's not that low.
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well there are some great recordings in drop e by a guy called dan dankmeyer or something like that. someone said something about the electronics being different on a bass, but that sounds like bull. Tosin Abasi does drop E on his 8 string, and an 8 string standard has a low F#
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well there are some great recordings in drop e by a guy called dan dankmeyer or something like that. someone said something about the electronics being different on a bass, but that sounds like bull. Tosin Abasi does drop E on his 8 string, and an 8 string standard has a low F#



It's the pickups that make the difference in signal afaik.

Maybe he was referring to that?
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It's the pickups that make the difference in signal afaik.

Maybe he was referring to that?



but what is actually different about them? if you put the bass pickups in a guitar would it still f the amp? Would a piccolo bass which is an octave up from regular bass IIRC still screw it up?
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In other news, Ibanez recently announced a new line of RGs.



I lol'd.

You shouldve captioned it with "2018 Ibanez RG8,000,000"
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#33
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but what is actually different about them? if you put the bass pickups in a guitar would it still f the amp? Would a piccolo bass which is an octave up from regular bass IIRC still screw it up?




I just know 35 inch scale with guitar pickup = ok
whilst

34 inch scale with bass pickup = Bad
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#35
If you can use one like a real man, and use all the strings from time to time, but if you just use it and STILL drop tune it just to play open TeH bR00T4lz breakdowns, homicide will ensue. Not to mention just using like, the bottom 4 notes for riffs.

I think 7 strings are awesome, 8 a bit much, but I could manage, I'd like to use the extrended range, and not just breakdowns as most people tend to be using them, 9 I think is just "too" much for me personally, but the amp would have a hard time pushing the super low notes.

Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE meshuggah, I think they're awesome, the only thing I don't like is the monotone full songs, like Bleed is a good song, but others where it's basically same note, just to different patterns, starts to bore me, it's very hard I know, and it's all right hand skill, but all those notes...and to only use less than like 10.
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If you can use one like a real man, and use all the strings from time to time, but if you just use it and STILL drop tune it just to play open TeH bR00T4lz breakdowns, homicide will ensue. Not to mention just using like, the bottom 4 notes for riffs.

I think 7 strings are awesome, 8 a bit much, but I could manage, I'd like to use the extrended range, and not just breakdowns as most people tend to be using them, 9 I think is just "too" much for me personally, but the amp would have a hard time pushing the super low notes.

Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE meshuggah, I think they're awesome, the only thing I don't like is the monotone full songs, like Bleed is a good song, but others where it's basically same note, just to different patterns, starts to bore me, it's very hard I know, and it's all right hand skill, but all those notes...and to only use less than like 10.


Bleed is a good song, but of all their songs, that ones one of the most monotonous. But its still hard as balls. That rhythm is so messed up. Plus they use 8 strings. 8 strings is the farther Id go.
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#38
9 string 24 fret might make you weirded out...but what about 72 string 1 fret?
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9 string 24 fret might make you weirded out...but what about 72 string 1 fret?



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Tuned chromatically.

Which makes ask; how ARE harps tuned?
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