#1
so awhile ago i bought a behringer guitar link just for the heck of to try out vst's. it sounds like absolute ballsack. it has lag and is digital and just sounds like crap. if i purchase a better interface, will that be the end all solve all to my problems? i want a nice practicing tool on the go so that's why.
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#2
Quote by natehimself
so awhile ago i bought a behringer guitar link just for the heck of to try out vst's. it sounds like absolute ballsack. it has lag and is digital and just sounds like crap. if i purchase a better interface, will that be the end all solve all to my problems? i want a nice practicing tool on the go so that's why.


no way to get around that if you're running vst

what plugins are you using? the lag is probably the guitar link's fault but it could also be because of the computer
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#3
I've never actually tried the Behringer guitar link, but I've tried using vsts and never had much luck. I know my friend uses the exact same one as you and gets some pretty good tones though so I know it's possible and I'm also curious about it.
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All the guitars were recorded with a Line 6 Toneport UX2 and the inbuilt vsts. I'd say your either using bad vsts or that interface isn't doing you any good.

Once you get a good sound out of a vst (which can be done) it is so much easier to do than mic up an amp
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#5
check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHad_3j5rRM

this guy gets awesome tones out of revalver. i know it's possible to get really good sound out of vst's...i'm just curious as to how. there has to be something that's different..?

also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHad_3j5rRM

sounds pretty damn good.
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#6
well what don't you like about the tone your getting?
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#8
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well what don't you like about the tone your getting?



it sounds thin, the highs sound incredibly digital, it lags, it's not punchy/real enough, etc.
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Quote by natehimself
it sounds thin, the highs sound incredibly digital, it lags, it's not punchy/real enough, etc.



well, make sure it'd not clipping, also make sure your using a Cab impulse. just the raw amp will sound like shit.

as far as the lag, download the latest driver, or try to find a ASIO driver for lowest lag.

Alot of guys using the mic input on thier PC's to do VST recording. You'll need a 1/8" to 1/4" converter, so you plug your guitar straight into your PC.

An interface would be your best bet tho. Here's what i get with VST amps and my M-audio Fast Track:

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Gundamnitpete/music/play916393
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#10
Quote by Gundamnitpete
well, make sure it'd not clipping, also make sure your using a Cab impulse. just the raw amp will sound like shit.

as far as the lag, download the latest driver, or try to find a ASIO driver for lowest lag.

Alot of guys using the mic input on thier PC's to do VST recording. You'll need a 1/8" to 1/4" converter, so you plug your guitar straight into your PC.

An interface would be your best bet tho. Here's what i get with VST amps and my M-audio Fast Track:

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/Gundamnitpete/music/play916393



i tried using impulses, but suprisingly it made it sound a little worse? and i have the asio drivers, etc. how do the line 6 interfaces sound?
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i tried using impulses, but suprisingly it made it sound a little worse? and i have the asio drivers, etc. how do the line 6 interfaces sound?



Half of a VST amp sim is the impulse. If the impulse made it sound worse, you did it wrong.

The raw VST is like th eline out from your amp. Ever listened to it? it sounds like shit, lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60G9C09UnE&feature=channel_video_title

In the Description he gives you links to everything you need, aside from the impulse loader itself.

google "Lecab" for an impulse loader, it's pretty good; While your there, you can pickup "Lextac" <---which happens to be my favorite VST amp sim.


Also, make sure your about 6DB away from the top of the volume gauge thingy (db meter) when recording. you want about a 6DB cut, when your HAMMERING the strings.
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#12
the line 6 interfaces are good. I suggest a Presonus Audiobox tho. I have a fastrack pro which has low gain preamps, so i need to crank my preamp gain to get a usable signal. It made my recordings sound thin and fizzy.

I just bought a Presonus tubePRE pre-amp, and it's saved the day the fizzyness and hollowness are gone.
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#13
Quote by Gundamnitpete
Half of a VST amp sim is the impulse. If the impulse made it sound worse, you did it wrong.

The raw VST is like th eline out from your amp. Ever listened to it? it sounds like shit, lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60G9C09UnE&feature=channel_video_title

In the Description he gives you links to everything you need, aside from the impulse loader itself.

google "Lecab" for an impulse loader, it's pretty good; While your there, you can pickup "Lextac" <---which happens to be my favorite VST amp sim.


Also, make sure your about 6DB away from the top of the volume gauge thingy (db meter) when recording. you want about a 6DB cut, when your HAMMERING the strings.



i have all the "lepou" vst's. i'm not new to vsts i just recently started getting into them again. (youtube videos interested me)

and i used the lecab, again it sounded mediocre at best...so are you saying basically all my sound problems are from the interface? which one is the best for the money audio quality wise?
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#15
even with lecab you still need quality impluses like red wires, etc. What impulses are you using with lecab?

Bad impulse with a cheap interface could spell godzilla tone disaster.
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#16
Quote by natehimself
i have all the "lepou" vst's. i'm not new to vsts i just recently started getting into them again. (youtube videos interested me)

and i used the lecab, again it sounded mediocre at best...so are you saying basically all my sound problems are from the interface? which one is the best for the money audio quality wise?



Which impulses where you usig? what where your settings on the amp?

The best way to go about this is to load a clean file (just the guitar signal) without at impulses or amp sims. If that sounds like shit, it's your interface polly.

Like i said, i recomend the presonus Audiobox for an interface.

I use reaper to load my amp sims.
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#17
i made a clip, this is the exact same track (copy and pasted), one totally clean with no effects or anything, just raw signal. the one after that is distorted using Solo_C and KeFIR impulse loader, with catharsis studio's Sprez-8 impulse.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8449636/tonetestVST2.mp3
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#18
i think your interface is holding you back. or your computer. especially if it's laggy.

dsp processing takes a lot of computer power.
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#19
no my computer is pretty good, it has lots of CPU power. i think it might be my interface...but i'm not sure. i've looked this up a lot. lots of people say its all in the interface, and some say it makes marginal difference..

for my impulses i'm using mesa oversized impulses loaded onto "kefir" i think it is. sounds okay, but it's scratchy and fake sounding.
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Last edited by natehimself at Mar 25, 2011,
#20
if you aren't using impulses, your going to sound like shit with the best interface and preamps in the world. So you gotta use them.

Do you clean tones sound as clean as mine?
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#21
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if you aren't using impulses, your going to sound like shit with the best interface and preamps in the world. So you gotta use them.

Do you clean tones sound as clean as mine?



well actually i found some impulses and it sounds better now. but it's still in the "shit tone" category. theres lag. and it doesn't have that individual note clarity, etc.
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#22
these VST amps are hard to dial in, you gotta EQ then differently than a normal amp.
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