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http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/27/academic-study-big-society

In a nutshell: To keep any government funding, all arts and humanities research in the UK must now study "big society".

What the **** "big society" even is (apart from a government buzzword) is beyond me, but now apparently the near 100 year old Haldane principle that protects academic freedom in research has been "clarified" so now in fact big society is the highest priority of all research.

I lack words to express how ridiculous this is. Dear lord.


Thoughts?
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#2
Study the big society?

How much can one study a vision for the country based on the shaky principle that, in times of economic hardship, people will do stuff for nothing?
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#6
Surely the more they study the big society, the more flaws they will find in it?
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#7
Panicked at the title.

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In a nutshell: To keep any government funding, all arts and humanities research in the UK must now study "big society".


Oh, the humanities! Care levels kinda dropped roundabout here.
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It's retarded, they are cutting funding and telling the people who are going there to waste the money they are spending on ridiculous tuition fees to praise the government in effect.

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#11
Pfft well as long as it doesn't affect my squeezed middle or irritate my alarm clock nation I dont care. So glad I finished school

Cant be worse than general studies though

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#12
Is the big society like "General studies" at A level? You know; that subject that doesn't really matter and never gets used?

And doesn't the big society revolve around people helping other people for free and caring for others? You know, that thing most people in first world countries are piss poor at?
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Panicked at the title.


Oh, the humanities! Care levels kinda dropped roundabout here.

Haha the day they start forcing physics to study tory policy is the day I give up entirely...

But on a more serious note, this would include politics, economics, psychology, sociology... A massive range of things which genuinely do affect you.


EDIT: ALSO Yes, I know I misspelled the thread title...
#14
I am currently studying Britain from 1945 to 1990 in history.

Turns out the "Big Society" hates pretty much everything the government does. And every time the "British Society" tries to change something, the government gets kinda pissy.

How they will show that in a good light is beyond me.
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#15
Bloody hell. This is Tory propaganda for school kids. Business and schooling should always be kept as far apart as possible; this is an attempt to blackmail teachers into more funding cuts, I think.
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Haha the day they start forcing physics to study tory policy is the day I give up entirely...

But on a more serious note, this would include politics, economics, psychology, sociology... A massive range of things which genuinely do affect you.


Actually psychology wouldn't be included, psychology falls under sciences rather than arts and humanities. And while it would be understandable for a department of politics, economics or sociology to study Government bull, how are they going to justify cutting the funding to a department of music, classical studies or theology that doesn't study this big society?
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Stupid people, perhaps.
#21
TS, the late 1800's called... they reckon it'll all pan out for the best...
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Actually psychology wouldn't be included, psychology falls under sciences rather than arts and humanities. And while it would be understandable for a department of politics, economics or sociology to study Government bull, how are they going to justify cutting the funding to a department of music, classical studies or theology that doesn't study this big society?

>tories
>justify
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#25
all the scientists of the world should get together and form their own state. after that they should start their own space program and in 25 years we could have another planet colonised and we could leave the creationists and bureaucrats behind
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#26
You're all missing the point that TS's only source for this is a tabloid news source that's not exactly known for its impartiality, in fact most of the article is wrapped up in "It is claimed [...]"
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#28
I probably should, and I know this makes me a dick, but I actually don't care at the moment. I'd be upset if they started eating into the sciences and engineering, but other than that...

I think too many people go to university anyways, I don't think it's fair on people at all.
#29
I'm a student nurse.

This was one of our lectures.

Lecturer got laughed out.

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Actually psychology wouldn't be included, psychology falls under sciences rather than arts and humanities. And while it would be understandable for a department of politics, economics or sociology to study Government bull, how are they going to justify cutting the funding to a department of music, classical studies or theology that doesn't study this big society?


Depending on the university psychology can fit in either humanities or science departments. Many offer students the choice to study for a MA or BSC so yeah it would be affected largely
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#33
What a load of Bull.

Even though I don't particularly support research into Art or English, I detest the notion that the govt can stick their noses in and tell people what to study.

I suspect all the decent lecturers and researchers in those fields affected will leave the country and head for a something more sensible.
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#36
ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous.
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#38
One massive positive I see in this is that the research unanimously finds that it's bullshit.

EDIT: ^ Hmmmm.
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#39
So it was a load of bullshit? Phew.
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So it was a load of bullshit? Phew.

I'd assume there's still elements of truth in it (Guardian/Observer's usually very good at this sort of thing), but the Guardian/Observer being a lefty paper massively overblew it.
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