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I've been thinking about it, and I honestly think, we need to enjoy the right now as much as we can. I don't think we'll ever be as comfortable as we are right now. Think about a few things, for the longest time, inventions have been made to be better, to shrink the world, for more entertainment, and overall more comfortable living. We're now making strides for more efficient living now, less gas to travel the same distance, less energy burned to light a room. Eventually, we're probably going to have to give up a little just to survive.

Also for Americans, and perhaps the west as the whole. Western powers are waning, especially in America. I'm 19, and I fully believe that by the end of my lifetime (our for many of you) we will not be the most powerful country anymore. It just doesn't seem plausible anymore, and I think many people see it, look at the uprising of stories of decay in American pop-culture. We may be the sick man of the west and are just afraid to admit it.

What are some of your thoughts on all of this?

Also, before any of you ask, I'm American.

TLDR: Right now is probably as good as it gets.
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#2
Scotland's known as the sick man of Europe. It's not so bad.
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#3
As long as I can still get Taco Bell whilst working underneath my Chinese overlords, then I see nowhere to go but up.
#4
I don't know about any of what you just said, but I'm here now and I'm gonna make the most of it either way.
So come on in
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take off your skin
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#5
Quote by goest
As long as I can still get Taco Bell whilst working underneath my Chinese overlords, then I see nowhere to go but up.


Yeah but all the press on fast food like Taco Bell is in the negative. Even our diets will probably change drastically. I mean these will definitely be the good ol' days. The internet will definitely change drastically, probably within the next decade. I doubt corporations in the like will continue to give us access to their sites for free. I forget the name of it, but theirs a debate going on, and I think these will be remembered as the Wild West days of the internet.
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#6
**** god
Only the blue sky and the green grass
Go on forever in this world
Where seconds feel like eternity
And years pass in blink of an eye
#7
I agree with you, but for a different reason. We live in the world as it is today and we have no control over that. So even if it sucked, the best we could do would be to make the best of it. So this kind of seems like a pointless sentiment. You could probably look at almost any period in history and come up with reasons why it would be the best or worst time to live and you'd be right in both respects.
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#8
Quote by tayroar
Yeah but all the press on fast food like Taco Bell is in the negative. Even our diets will probably change drastically. I mean these will definitely be the good ol' days. The internet will definitely change drastically, probably within the next decade. I doubt corporations in the like will continue to give us access to their sites for free. I forget the name of it, but theirs a debate going on, and I think these will be remembered as the Wild West days of the internet.


Better stock up on free porn while I can, then.
#9
well, I haven't had to sell my guitars for food and my girl hasn't ditched me for my best friend yet. I'm good.
#10
I agree. I wish i could go back in time because it was even better then. But every year everyone is forced to work harder to learn the discoveries of the past and ontop of that make newer ones.
Personally, I have a few people I know and one person I can really trust and I'm happy because I assume an even bigger majority of the population wouldn't be trusted in the future.
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#11
Quote by Ganoosh
I agree with you, but for a different reason. We live in the world as it is today and we have no control over that. So even if it sucked, the best we could do would be to make the best of it. So this kind of seems like a pointless sentiment. You could probably look at almost any period in history and come up with reasons why it would be the best or worst time to live and you'd be right in both respects.


Yeah but I mean in human comfort. Like I guess the peak of civilization is simple terms of what I'm saying, but that's oversimplified. Right now is the most convenient time in history, and our personal conveniences will decline from here is what I'm saying I guess.
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#13
But I wouldn't say convenience is a very good measure of the merit of a civilization. Or rather, I wouldn't say that excessive convenience is a good thing.
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#14
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Only the blue sky and the green grass
Go on forever in this world
Where seconds feel like eternity
And years pass in blink of an eye
#15
Quote by Ganoosh
But I wouldn't say convenience is a very good measure of the merit of a civilization. Or rather, I wouldn't say that excessive convenience is a good thing.


Yeah, but you aren't forced in to convenience.
Good to have the option there.

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#16
Quote by Ganoosh
But I wouldn't say convenience is a very good measure of the merit of a civilization. Or rather, I wouldn't say that excessive convenience is a good thing.


But isn't it? I mean everything about civilization started with simple convenience. It's what we've always moved toward. All of our inventions today are to make older inventions more convenient and more accessible. Civilization began so that we could trade more conveniently.
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#18
Quote by tayroar
But isn't it? I mean everything about civilization started with simple convenience. It's what we've always moved toward. All of our inventions today are to make older inventions more convenient and more accessible. Civilization began so that we could trade more conveniently.


But you don't think it's possible for civilization to start making things too convenient? The original convenience was in obtaining the necessities of life, primarily food. Now it's extended to things that are completely unnecessary, but still there's this drive to push forward for more convenience and more ease, but I think there's a point where it has to stop. I think it's possible for life to be too easy and you just stagnate and your brain and muscles atrophy and there's no purpose to anything anymore.
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#19
Quote by Ganoosh
But you don't think it's possible for civilization to start making things too convenient? The original convenience was in obtaining the necessities of life, primarily food. Now it's extended to things that are completely unnecessary, but still there's this drive to push forward for more convenience and more ease, but I think there's a point where it has to stop. I think it's possible for life to be too easy and you just stagnate and your brain and muscles atrophy and there's no purpose to anything anymore.


That's kind of my point though. This is kind of the last era before we start feeling the repercussions of our actions, or atleast major repercussions.
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#20
Alright, well then in that case I agree with you. I think if we haven't already pushed it too far, we're about to.
Today I feel electric grey
I hope tomorrow, neon black
#21
Quote by Ganoosh
Alright, well then in that case I agree with you. I think if we haven't already pushed it too far, we're about to.


Oh I definitely think we've already pushed too far, and several seems are already unraveling for us. I mean look at the energy crisis. Look at the obesity epidemic. Our lifestyle is already harming our society greatly, but I guess we haven't faced anything that bad yet. It's interesting to me though, so many of these problems are unprecedented, yet so many people take the problems in stride, as if they're nothing to worry about. I kind of feel bad for my kids, the world will be such a different place when they're my age.
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#22
But it isn't convenient for everyone at all. We've got a shit load still to do. Plus, it's not really convenience for conveniences sake that's the goal is it? it's making everything that needs to be done totally easy so we can concentrate on the shit we really want to do.

It's Good stuff.

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#23
Quote by Jiggzy.UK
But it isn't convenient for everyone at all. We've got a shit load still to do. Plus, it's not really convenience for conveniences sake that's the goal is it? it's making everything that needs to be done totally easy so we can concentrate on the shit we really want to do.

It's Good stuff.


I'd say alot of it is convenience for convenience's sake. I mean, microwaves (which I happen to love), pizza delivery (not an invention, but a service), I mean even the internet.
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#24
Quote by IRONxPANTERA
**** god

This idea has passed through my head before as well. God is a perfect entity, so sex with him would surely be the most pleasurable experience ever. However, the bible says we are all God's children, and that would be incestuous and sinful to act on my urges towards him.
#25
What you talking about TS? Quality of living, health, number of job opportunities, and social mobility are all much lower for my generation than they were for my parents'. We're already into the downhill slide (if you come from a cushy White Middle class background) and things are only going to get worse for people of that background for the next couple of decades at least.

I'm very glad that groups who have had it hard in the past have an improving quality of life, but mine is measurably declining, and certainly no where near where someone else in my shoes would have been in the last 30 years, and I'm not going to pretend to be happy about that.

If the whole ocean goes up, every boat is supposed to get a lift until they're all equal. I'm worried about all the sinking I'm doing.
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#26
Quote by Jiggzy.UK
But it isn't convenient for everyone at all. We've got a shit load still to do. Plus, it's not really convenience for conveniences sake that's the goal is it? it's making everything that needs to be done totally easy so we can concentrate on the shit we really want to do.

It's Good stuff.



I'd say the problem of getting done everything that needs to be done got solved within the first couple thousand years of civilization, at least as far as technology goes. Food, shelter, clothes, warmth, companionship. Done. Smartphones? iPads? 3D TV? Unnecessary.
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#27
Quote by Spartan101400
This is not the best era in American History to be living in, probably one of the worst ones.


Let me guess you think the 50s is?
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#28
Quote by dullsilver_mike
What you talking about TS? Quality of living, health, number of job opportunities, and social mobility are all much lower for my generation than they were for my parents'. We're already into the downhill slide (if you come from a cushy White Middle class background) and things are only going to get worse for people of that background for the next couple of decades at least.

I'm very glad that groups who have had it hard in the past have an improving quality of life, but mine is measurably declining, and certainly no where near where someone else in my shoes would have been in the last 30 years, and I'm not going to pretend to be happy about that.

If the whole ocean goes up, every boat is supposed to get a lift until they're all equal. I'm worried about all the sinking I'm doing.


[citation needed]
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#29
Quote by tayroar
That's kind of my point though. This is kind of the last era before we start feeling the repercussions of our actions, or atleast major repercussions.

Doesn't that say something about how crap our society is right now?

"Yeah we lived in a great era in 2011, the days when we could screw many future generations of kids' lives without worrying a jot. Climate change? Pah, next decade. Droughts? Huh, not where I'm standing! Increased value in material goods? Nonsense! CHAMPAGNE, ANYONE?"
#30
Quote by dullsilver_mike
What you talking about TS? Quality of living, health, number of job opportunities, and social mobility are all much lower for my generation than they were for my parents'. We're already into the downhill slide (if you come from a cushy White Middle class background) and things are only going to get worse for people of that background for the next couple of decades at least.

I'm very glad that groups who have had it hard in the past have an improving quality of life, but mine is measurably declining, and certainly no where near where someone else in my shoes would have been in the last 30 years, and I'm not going to pretend to be happy about that.

If the whole ocean goes up, every boat is supposed to get a lift until they're all equal. I'm worried about all the sinking I'm doing.


You're better off than past generations already. You're on a computer that goes faster than any of them dreamed would be possible. You're living in a house with heat and air where you don't have to be uncomfortable. Yeah, everything is going downhill, and that's my point, but right now, I'd wager you'd hate living anywhere in the past. The nuisance of tedious things you no longer have to do would get to you. Do you have to get offline when you're expecting a phone call? Isn't everyone you know pretty reachable? When was the last time you took a shower at an uncomfortable temperature? Or the last time you absolutely had to spend hours preparing a meal rather than it be because you wanted a particular meal? This is an amazing era because life isn't so annoying.
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Quote by Don_Humpador
Doesn't that say something about how crap our society is right now?

"Yeah we lived in a great era in 2011, the days when we could screw many future generations of kids' lives without worrying a jot. Climate change? Pah, next decade. Droughts? Huh, not where I'm standing! Increased value in material goods? Nonsense! CHAMPAGNE, ANYONE?"


Yeah, we have zero foresight, but don't the twenties always sound pretty kickass?
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Quote by tayroar
You're better off than past generations already. You're on a computer that goes faster than any of them dreamed would be possible. You're living in a house with heat and air where you don't have to be uncomfortable. Yeah, everything is going downhill, and that's my point, but right now, I'd wager you'd hate living anywhere in the past. The nuisance of tedious things you no longer have to do would get to you. Do you have to get offline when you're expecting a phone call? Isn't everyone you know pretty reachable? When was the last time you took a shower at an uncomfortable temperature? Or the last time you absolutely had to spend hours preparing a meal rather than it be because you wanted a particular meal? This is an amazing era because life isn't so annoying.

Yeah but if you're not used to the amenities we have today, you don't hanker after them.

It's like a pigeon. A pigeon doesn't get bored, I'm sure. A pigeon has never played PS3 or watched TV for hours on end. As a result, if he's not doing those activities, he's less bored because he doesn't knows any other kind of stimulus than being bored in itself.

Does that make sense? It's 3AM and I'm tired.
#34
Quote by Eastwinn
[citation needed]



Go study sociology, economics, and american history for a few years I think there's a bit more there than a couple of websites or even a couple of books can easily summarize.

Start by looking at google scholar and govt data from census results and the dpts. of health and labor over the last 40 years.
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Quote by Don_Humpador
Yeah but if you're not used to the amenities we have today, you don't hanker after them.

It's like a pigeon. A pigeon doesn't get bored, I'm sure. A pigeon has never played PS3 or watched TV for hours on end. As a result, if he's not doing those activities, he's less bored because he doesn't knows any other kind of stimulus than being bored in itself.

Does that make sense? It's 3AM and I'm tired.


Yeah, I understand it, but those of us who are used to them wouldn't want to go back to those days because of their lack of those amenities.
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#36
It really depends on what you consider ideal living circumstanes.Alot of people still hate the "system" and claim it would be so much better if we all lived in a slightly more primitive fasion.There really is alot of pressure to keep up in these times.Most of the people I know don't like what they have to do for 8 hours per day.It just really depends.
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Quote by tayroar
Yeah, I understand it, but those of us who are used to them wouldn't want to go back to those days because of their lack of those amenities.

I dunno actually, I quite fancy going back to the 18th century if I'm honest. Be a Russian Tzar. Etc.
#38
Life is what you make it.

Also, I think you should go to any airforce base in the US (if you have the privilege) and check out the stock pile of attack planes in holding.

I feel like the reason the US no longer backs their money by gold is because its backed by sheer force.
Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all
#39
Quote by goest
As long as I can still get Taco Bell

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Whenever the Will to Power, in no matter what form, begins to decline, a physiological retrogression, decadence always supervenes.
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#40
Quote by MightyAri
It really depends on what you consider ideal living circumstanes.Alot of people still hate the "system" and claim it would be so much better if we all lived in a slightly more primitive fasion.There really is alot of pressure to keep up in these times.Most of the people I know don't like what they have to do for 8 hours per day.It just really depends.


I hate my job just as much as the next guy, but it definitely kicks the shit out of hunting and gathering berries. I mean, they didn't know for sure that food was coming. I'd much rather do a tedious task day in and day out than not be certain my food was coming. Same with agricultural societies, one bad winter, or too hot of a summer and they were dead. People romanticize these things a lot more than they should be. They like to imagine living in the past would be like it is portrayed in movies, and everything sounds much better in theory than in practice.
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