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#1
Attacks have occurred against the UN in both Kandahar and Mazar-i-Sharif.

Source: BBC

Nine people have been killed in the Afghan city of Kandahar during a demonstration against the burning of a Koran in the US, officials say.

Hundreds of people took part in the protest. Gunfire was heard and cars were set on fire.

On Friday, seven UN workers were killed after a protest over the same issue in in the northern city of Mazar-i Sharif.


Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Afghan protesters angered by the burning of a Koran by an obscure U.S. pastor killed up to 20 U.N. staff, beheading two foreigners, when they over-ran a compound in a normally peaceful northern city on Friday in the worst ever attack on the U.N. in Afghanistan.


I hope that motherfucking "pastor" realises what a shitstorm he has precipitated and how many lives he's ruined because of his bigoted and irresponsible idiocy.
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#2
Personally, I think they should just man up and realise it's just a book.
Although, that pastor is also a complete idiot.
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Personally, I think they should just man up and realise it's just a book.
Although, that pastor is also a complete idiot.


They're all guilty of murder, including that bloody pastor. Well, I'm not sure what the legal term is, but he's guilty at least of incitement to murder.
#4
To be fair, he was never the smartest man in the world. This perfectly highlights the effects of intolerance in parts of America and the church......it's an awful story.
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#6
They complain about this but its oka for them to burn our poppies and vandalize our soldiers graves? go figure..
#7
Both sides are idiots. The pastors should have known it would have caused an upheaval and now the blood is on their hands. But the protestors in afghanistan think theyre making a point by killing people completely unrelated to the event. They're so thick they think a very small group of people in america stands for the belief of an entire nation and international assembly.
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#8
Pastor Terry Jones is a horrible person, but should be allowed to do this. I could barely detest him more though. There are also better ways of responding to this than attacking and killing UN workers.
http://www.good.is/post/extremist-vs-extremist-the-consequences-of-burning-a-koran
That roughly sums up my views on the issue.


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#9
''Hey, that guy is a shithead''
''Lets kill someone completely unrelated in retaliation''

That'll teach him.
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#10
I heard this on the radio yesterday, it makes me sick.
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Sick extremists respond to idiotic antagonising pastor.



The worst thing about this is that everyone who was protesting will be tarred with the same brush.
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#12
I don't think that is incitement to murder. Jones didn't stand in front of the mob and tell them to kill some UN workers. The link between his actions and the actions of the extremists is not one that he could, or should, have predicted. He's certainly not a murderer, the idiots murdering people are.
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I don't think that is incitement to murder. Jones didn't stand in front of the mob and tell them to kill some UN workers. The link between his actions and the actions of the extremists is not one that he could, or should, have predicted. He's certainly not a murderer, the idiots murdering people are.


I agree in part, but everybody knew there would be an extreme reaction, that's why the international community pressured him into stopping the first time.
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They're all guilty of murder, including that bloody pastor. Well, I'm not sure what the legal term is, but he's guilty at least of incitement to murder.


Inciting religious hatred. Nowhere near as bad as the backlash, but I bet you he'll get away with this with little more retribution than a bit of infamy, and some slagging off on internet forums.
I still don't get quite what he was trying to do with his actions though.
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I don't think that is incitement to murder. Jones didn't stand in front of the mob and tell them to kill some UN workers. The link between his actions and the actions of the extremists is not one that he could, or should, have predicted. He's certainly not a murderer, the idiots murdering people are.


Not directly, but he did everything but do the thing himself. As for the prediction of the consequences - I totally disagree. He was contacted by numerous parties, including Obama himself, and was clearly well informed that his actions could well endanger lives. Agreed, he didn't go ahead with his own book burning - but only because he was well and truly informed of just how violent and serious the backlash could have been. The fact that he then folded his arms, stood around and supervised the ACTUAL burning is, in my eyes, admittedly, tantamount to the same thing. Wayne Sapp may also be equally guilty - but Jones in my eyes is worse because he had the focus of the media spotlight on him until it was clear that he was well and truly informed how dangerous and irresponsible his actions were - and then he basically dropped the damn book in the fire in all but name.
#16
You know what the worst thing is? The fact that Marylin Manson is, in the public eye, more responsible for the V.Tech massacre etc. than this Pastor is for the U.N workers deaths.....
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Not directly, but he did everything but do the thing himself. As for the prediction of the consequences - I totally disagree. He was contacted by numerous parties, including Obama himself, and was clearly well informed that his actions could well endanger lives. Agreed, he didn't go ahead with his own book burning - but only because he was well and truly informed of just how violent and serious the backlash could have been. The fact that he then folded his arms, stood around and supervised the ACTUAL burning is, in my eyes, admittedly, tantamount to the same thing. Wayne Sapp may also be equally guilty - but Jones in my eyes is worse because he had the focus of the media spotlight on him until it was clear that he was well and truly informed how dangerous and irresponsible his actions were - and then he basically dropped the damn book in the fire in all but name.


I disagree. People have a right to freedom of speech and shouldn't be constrained by the possible violent actions of extremist morons. That doesn't mean that there isn't incitement to hatred exceptions, but those have to be direct and extremely causal, for example standing outside the UN building stoking an angry mob to enter and murder people. However this is not a case like that. If we accept here that his words make him responsible for what happened then where to we draw the line elsewhere? If I write a speech about the necessity of free student fees and some moron murders Nick Clegg? What if someone decides to kill the Pope because of Dawkin's rhetoric?
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I disagree. People have a right to freedom of speech and shouldn't be constrained by the possible violent actions of extremist morons. That doesn't mean that there isn't incitement to hatred exceptions, but those have to be direct and extremely causal, for example standing outside the UN building stoking an angry mob to enter and murder people. However this is not a case like that. If we accept here that his words make him responsible for what happened then where to we draw the line elsewhere? If I write a speech about the necessity of free student fees and some moron murders Nick Clegg? What if someone decides to kill the Pope because of Dawkin's rhetoric?


Yeah, I see your point - I know they're safe from a legal point of view. I'm just saying that in this particular case, from a purely moral point of view and without looking at legal precedents, those two were well in the know someone was going to do something extremely stupid. But I agree with you, certainly in a global view regardless of my views on this case in particular.
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I saw this yesterday. The utter contempt I had for both sides of this while reading it has not faded.
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Sick extremists respond to idiotic antagonising pastor.



The worst thing about this is that everyone who was protesting will be tarred with the same brush.

And why shouldn't they? If the actions of some redneck asshole in Florida compels you to march upon a UN enclave 12,000 miles away you're as big a redneck asshole.
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#21
It's not like Islam is the religion of peace or anything.


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And why shouldn't they? If the actions of some redneck asshole in Florida compels you to march upon a UN enclave 12,000 miles away you're as big a redneck asshole.


I meant that the protesters will be tarred with the same brush as the extremists.

Not everyone protesting was a murderer.

EDIT:see the post above mine
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I meant that the protesters will be tarred with the same brush as the extremists.

Not everyone protesting was a murderer.

EDIT:see the post above mine

I would say everyone protesting was an extremist though. You have to be seriously uncoupled from reality to allow what a redneck in Podunk Florida does compel you to march on a disassociated organization half a world away. I'm not saying they all had a compulsion to kill but I am saying they were all fucking nuts.

And the post above you is from another redneck moron from Podunksville that would gladly attend a trial of the Koran. He's not any smarter or less ignorant than the assholes that decided they had to show their displeasure by marching on a UN compound.

I find both sides equally repugnant.
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I would say everyone protesting was an extremist though. You have to be seriously uncoupled from reality to allow what a redneck in Podunk Florida does compel you to march on a disassociated organization half a world away. I'm not saying they all had a compulsion to kill but I am saying they were all fucking nuts.

And the post above you is from another redneck moron from Podunksville that would gladly attend a trial of the Koran. He's not any smarter or less ignorant than the assholes that decided they had to show their displeasure by marching on a UN compound.

I find both sides equally repugnant.

This.

Religious extremism is disgusting.
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I would say everyone protesting was an extremist though. You have to be seriously uncoupled from reality to allow what a redneck in Podunk Florida does compel you to march on a disassociated organization half a world away. I'm not saying they all had a compulsion to kill but I am saying they were all fucking nuts.

And the post above you is from another redneck moron from Podunksville that would gladly attend a trial of the Koran. He's not any smarter or less ignorant than the assholes that decided they had to show their displeasure by marching on a UN compound.

I find both sides equally repugnant.


Extension to the bolded part: I agree with Don here - individually speaking, people are generally sane and normal human beings. Once they're in a mob, assessing the sanity of the total mob based on the respective sanity of it's total members is...insane.


Mathematically, if we define some mob sanity coefficient C_s_m, and let n be the number of individuals within the mob with individual sanity C_s_i, then C_s_m << C_s_i X n.

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I love it when my rants have mathematical proofs.
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So the priest burns a book so they kill people? ****in muslims

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+1. Not defending anybody, but that statement just reflects badly on you.
#30
He shouldn't get arrested or anything but after the whole picture of muhammed thing a few years ago he should realise that what he's doing will have serious consequences.

Hopefully the shit he gets off people for doing this will **** his life up somewhat.
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I disagree. People have a right to freedom of speech and shouldn't be constrained by the possible violent actions of extremist morons. That doesn't mean that there isn't incitement to hatred exceptions, but those have to be direct and extremely causal, for example standing outside the UN building stoking an angry mob to enter and murder people. However this is not a case like that. If we accept here that his words make him responsible for what happened then where to we draw the line elsewhere? If I write a speech about the necessity of free student fees and some moron murders Nick Clegg? What if someone decides to kill the Pope because of Dawkin's rhetoric?



I guess Freedom Of Speech is different in Ireland than in The States.
Here, you have the freedom of speech to say whatever you want....
as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people.
I'd say some UN people had their rights infringed upon.
#32
The pastor is a douchebag, sure. However, I don't see how you can possibly blame him for these maniacs killing people. It'd be like me saying your favorite band is terrible and you going and beating someone half to death, and then saying it was my fault.
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The pastor is a douchebag, sure. However, I don't see how you can possibly blame him for these maniacs killing people. It'd be like me saying your favorite band is terrible and you going and beating someone half to death, and then saying it was my fault.


Not really, considering past events where the muslim world have protested against more minor things than this. He should have known that what he was doing would have consequences.

Not to mention the fact that he is retarded anyway so any backlash against him is very much welcome in my eyes.
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I guess Freedom Of Speech is different in Ireland than in The States.
Here, you have the freedom of speech to say whatever you want....
as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people.
I'd say some UN people had their rights infringed upon.

Actually the Freedom of Speech is more restrictive in Europe than it is in the US.
And this asshole in Fl. did not compel anybody to kill. Those that did so, did so of their own accord.
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Not really, considering past events where the muslim world have protested against more minor things than this. He should have known that what he was doing would have consequences.

Not to mention the fact that he is retarded anyway so any backlash against him is very much welcome in my eyes.

So the entire world now has in effect a gag order placed on it because some overly sensitive douchebag in Karachi might decide that what some ignorant asshat in Copenhagen says is blasphemous and people in Kabul need to die?
Bullshit.
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Not really, considering past events where the muslim world have protested against more minor things than this. He should have known that what he was doing would have consequences.

Not to mention the fact that he is retarded anyway so any backlash against him is very much welcome in my eyes.

I can't speak for you but I know if someone does something that offends me I'm not going to behead someone, mainly because I'm not a primitive animal. People are responsible for their own actions, no matter how much they try to pass blame.
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So the entire world now has in effect a gag order placed on it because some overly sensitive douchebag in Karachi might decide that what some ignorant asshat in Copenhagen says is blasphemous and people in Kabul need to die?
Bullshit.


I never said that it should be legal action but if a bunch of people feel the need to spit at him in the street then in my eyes I don't care.
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So...

Extremists and others burn poppies.
Others burn Qu'rans in retaliation.
Why sink to their level?
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I never said that it should be legal action but if a bunch of people feel the need to spit at him in the street then in my eyes I don't care.


Have him being spit on by patients coming out of an AIDS clinic.
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I never said that it should be legal action but if a bunch of people feel the need to spit at him in the street then in my eyes I don't care.

I think I'm going to have a ceremony where I wed the Koran with a Bible. It will be officiated over by the Torah and from this blessed union Biboran shall be created forever
unifying the world or pissing off all of the fucking nutters.
Should be a good reception afterward either way.
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