Poll: Recess or remove the neck and shimmy
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View poll results: Recess or remove the neck and shimmy
Recess the neck
3 38%
Remove the neck and put a shimmy to balance it
5 63%
Voters: 8.
#1
(I already have this in the GB & C forum)

Hi!

So I'm making a guitar and I'm at the point of wiring and stuff and just on a curiousity I put on the tuning pegs and screwed in the tune o matic bridge and tailplate and put all 6 strings on, and saw that the strings were like 1 and a half or 2 cm's off the fretboard... I'm just wondering how can I fix it... Is it just an illusion or something because at that time I didn't have the pickups in the actual slots ... But I can't add a shimmy under the neck slot because 1. It's bolted and 2. It's glued with wood glue... I'm pretty sure I could use a crowbar on it and it's not coming off... I tried adjusting the trust rod but it didn't really do anything... Please help!

I have added all my love, sweat and tears into this thing, and I would be crushed if I cant solo on it and it just being a wall hanger...

Thanks!

I used epoxy in the 2 holes for the studs for the tailplate and only 1 for the tuneomatic bridge because the other one I don't have the wire for the grounding yet so I didn't even touch it… So I cant remove the studs (recess the bridge) and make it deeper.

Pictures:

Here are the holes before the epoxy:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586718658/

Here is the thing I was talking about, I only put the three studs in and then left the fourth out because I don't have the grounding wire... and in the picture I used Elmer's Super fast Epoxy cement (Btw the stripped wood on the top left stud is fixed now...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586120873/

Here is the angle of the neck:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586722342/

I think what the problem is, is that when I routered it... It wasnt as far as I needed it and the rented routers time was up so I used my dremal... lol... and I guess i went a little lower in the neck slot closer to the neck pickup and then I when I clamped it with the wood glue the angel went up...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/609640...in/photostream/

I bolted...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586132467/

and Glued.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586126587/

And here are the bridges im using.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586711282/
Last edited by GuitarzMyThing at Apr 3, 2011,
#3
Looks nice, can't you seat the bridge lower? Maybe drill out the epoxy. Just so you learn, never glue till you're sure.
Last edited by Tempoe at Apr 3, 2011,
#4
It looks like the angle of the neck is going up int that picture... It should be going down.
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#6
Quote by shaggydogJV
It looks like the angle of the neck is going up int that picture... It should be going down.


I know...thats my problem... I had dremeled it because it wasnt the right hight and I had to take back the rented router so... I did it myself and I didnt relize until after that I must have dug deeper into the end of the neck slot making it have that type of angel when I champed it.
#8
That's what you're going to have to fix then. No real way of getting around it.
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#10
Quote by jdrier21
just curious, why did you glue down a bolt on neck? especially before you knew if everything would line up right


Because my dad told me to... And I wasnt thinking...
#12
Quote by shaggydogJV
That's what you're going to have to fix then. No real way of getting around it.


Okay then... How would I start? Un-bolting it of coarse, but then what... How would I get the glue unstuck without damaging something...
#13
First, the neck pocket isn't tight on the side - there's a pretty wide gap. Second, it's a bolt-on neck. Why did you glue it? If you hadn't glued it, you could've shimmed it. You can still do it, but you're going to have to break that glue bond and clean it up. Shimming it will allow you to get the correct angle/string height.
#14
Quote by whoomit
Recessing the bridge would probably be the easiest thing to do methinks.


I never got "really" how to recess the bridge, how do I do that? What do I do?
#15
Quote by KG6_Steven
First, the neck pocket isn't tight on the side - there's a pretty wide gap. Second, it's a bolt-on neck. Why did you glue it? If you hadn't glued it, you could've shimmed it. You can still do it, but you're going to have to break that glue bond and clean it up. Shimming it will allow you to get the correct angle/string height.


Sounds good to me... But how would I unstick the glue from it? hair drier, because of the heat? or will that just heat up and make the satin finish tacky and weird? and I dont know, I wasn't thinking... I always learn my lessons the hard way :/
#16
Breaking the bond will be fun... It might almost be better to go ahead and recess the bridge. However, you'll have to be darned careful to not route out too much material, or you'll be hosed again. Using a heat gun to loosen the glue is the other option. Yes. You run the risk of damaging the finish or the wood.

So, looks like you have a couple of different ways to go here. I'd pick the easiest of the two and go for it.
#17
Quote by GuitarzMyThing
I never got "really" how to recess the bridge, how do I do that? What do I do?
This is what a recessed tune-o looks like:



Pretty easy to figure out, it just means removing some wood under the bridge so it can be installed lower.
#18
Quote by GuitarzMyThing
Okay then... How would I start? Un-bolting it of coarse, but then what... How would I get the glue unstuck without damaging something...



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#19
Okay... I think im going to remove the neck and shimmy it... I think that recessing it will not work because if I get it down to the right hight, the way the neck is angeled it will buzz and the strings will be hitting the frets... I dont think that the trust rod will even help in that... So ill just bring it to a guitar shop or a furnature shop and get it seperated then figure it out then... Does that sound good?
#21
Quote by GuitarzMyThing
Plus... One of the studs in the tune-o-matic bridge is epoxyed in.

Haha you love your glue!

In that case, remove and shimmy the neck, but take your time!

Good luck

Edit: Oh, you said you were going to take it to a shop.
Well, good luck anyway!
Last edited by whoomit at Apr 4, 2011,
#22
Quote by whoomit
Haha you love your glue!

In that case, remove and shimmy the neck, but take your time!

Good luck

Edit: Oh, you said you were going to take it to a shop.
Well, good luck anyway!


Thanks! I hope it comes out good too... But I screamed at my parents last night because it pissed me off and now im grounded from making the guitar for a week woops... Anyway... In a week Ill start again... In the meanwhile... Ill just cool down and think of what to do in steps over the week ...

Thank you guys for all your help in my problem.

PS. Yes I do love my glue... Ever since kindergarten
Last edited by GuitarzMyThing at Apr 4, 2011,
#24
But out of a 10, 1 being the worst thing you've ever seen, 10 being amazing.

What would you rate the guitar in looks?

(Btw, please taking into consideration that i'm only 15 years old, Ive been playing for 2-3 years and I just bought a book on how to create one and just looked at the plans and did it.)

Here are some pictures!

Here is some pictures without the traditional cherry stain on it and a finish (Body wood is Mahogany and the neck is Maple with rosewood fretboard, the usual, nothing special
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554979770/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554395847/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554979930/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554398347/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554398215/

Here are some pictures with the stain and finish...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586718658/ (The chip on the top left stud is fixed)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5586120873/ (Again the chip on the top left stud is fixed)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5590723638/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5590137409/ (The dreaded gluing of the neck)

Again thank you!
#25
Quote by technical death
this thread made me happy. good luck on ur project!


Why because I got in trouble or because people helped me figure it out? lol
#26
I think it looks nice, I love mahogany. It will look better when all the hardware and strings are on.


Zed


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#27
Okay... This picture is my problem right there...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60964085@N02/5554398347/

Do you see how the neck slot is the same depth of the pickups. Well... I decided, me being a idiot over a weekend, didnt want to wait and was rushing... Used the same dremal in the picture, BY HAND I might add... to bring down the neck slot... other then me just waiting for the weekend to properly router it out deeper... Just goes to show you that little things cant really bit your ass hard in the end.
#28
Okay... Took the neck off with a little elbow grease, exacto knife, a putty knife and steam from a kettle... Thanks for all your help! (My parents let me work on it)