#1
ok i can get aether one for 350 dollars. jet city JCA20H Head and JCA12S Cabinet or blackheart BH5 Head and BH112 Cabinet. anyone used these have any advice?
#2
Jet City has more wattage, first off. Plus you should be able to look harder to find the stack for cheaper. You could find the JC12S cab for $100 easy, and the JCA20 Head for $200 even easier.


BTW, we need more info. Budget, styles, where ya live, etc.
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#3
I'd go for the Jet City. 2 reasons.

1. The fact that it's 20 watts means that you can still practice with it easily at bedroom volumes, but it's still loud enough to jam with a drummer. I've experienced the Blackheart in a jam situation, it cannot keep up with a drummer unless the drummer backs off...and we all know that doesn't happen.

2. I just think that the tone is better. The Jet City is a great amp. Not really my style because I need 2 channels and a bit higher gain...but it's amazing for what it is.
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#4
Based on the info you gave us (nothing) I'd say the jet city as well
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#5
A better comparison would be the Handsome Devil and JCA20, since the Little Giant has far less power and is single-ended Class A.
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#6
These amps have pretty much nothing in common, so I can't really tell what you're looking for in an amp right now. So, whaddya want?

EDIT: I've owned the BH5 head for some time, so I can help you with that if you have any questions.
#7
Well I really don't wanna spend more than 800-900 dollars but the more under the better. I would like to get an all tube amp, something i can play in my room at my house or with my friend on the drums. I like to play some alt, rock and punk, a really good crunch but also good cleans as well. I am currently playing a Epi casino and les paul custom.
#8
The Jet City seems pretty much spot-on then. There will be a 2-channel version comming out soon, it should be worth waiting for unless you need to buy the amp right now.

Personally, I'd invest in a better cab than the JCA12S though. There's plenty of nice 1x12" and 2x12" cabs loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s out there. Assuming you are in the States, finding a used Avatar cab, for example, should be easy enough.

The Blackheart has neither the gain, nor the range of tones you are looking for, so I wouldn't bother with it.
#9
Quote by kennymax89
Well I really don't wanna spend more than 800-900 dollars but the more under the better. I would like to get an all tube amp, something i can play in my room at my house or with my friend on the drums. I like to play some alt, rock and punk, a really good crunch but also good cleans as well. I am currently playing a Epi casino and les paul custom.



Name some bands that have a tone you'd like to emulate. Throwing genres at us doesn't help at all because a single genre can contain a million different tones. Also people have different opinions on what a good crunch is and what a good clean is.

Blackhearts generally are great for blues and rock and tend to have more of a vintage vibe, imo.

JCA's tend to be more of a hot rodded type sound. Despite what a lot of people here say, I've heard the JCA20 get some pretty gainy tones. If you're into more of a high gain type deal you may wanna look into the new two channel JCA20.
#10
kinda a jade Puget kinda tone is what im looking for good high gain and i live in western washington.
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#11
Keep in mind the BH5 doesn't have a master volume. If you want distortion, you'll have to crank it, which will be too loud for bedroom playing. If you want cleans, you'll have to turn the volume back, which will be too quiet for a band setting.
#12
I HATED the BH5. Love the 20H. The BH5 can't do anything except cleans. No distortion on its own. Even though its 5 watts, you don't get any overdrive until about 5 on the volume and doesn't do much gain anyway.
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#13
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I HATED the BH5. Love the 20H. The BH5 can't do anything except cleans. No distortion on its own. Even though its 5 watts, you don't get any overdrive until about 5 on the volume and doesn't do much gain anyway.

That's the point - you crank the absolute piss out of it to get distortion.

None of this Preamp 10, Master 0.5 nonsense.
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#14
Too bad it doesn't sound that great. The overdrive starts at 5 (which is only really light). Then it starts clipping horribly at around 8. By the time you think you have enough gain, you realize the volume isn't practical.

I'd rather have the JCA20H that can do preamp 10 master .5 if needed, but can also do preamp 5, master 7 and sound terrific. That's worth the extra $50 to me. It's a shame that the BH5 head is even $200... I've had both amps. the JCA wins by a landslide. When I got the BH, I thought "hell yeah time to crank it!" I was very disappointed. Gave it a try every once awhile to see if if anything was different but it wasn't. I tried an overdrive through it and it still didn't sound that great. It sat in my room, unplayed, for quite a while.
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#15
Dunno what you're on about. The BH5 is a damn good low wattage '67 Marshall copy.

If it's not your thing, that's fine, but it's totally worth the price tag. It was never meant to do anything gainier than AC/DC or Zeppelin, nor was it intended to be a quiet amplifier.
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#16
Sounds like you haven't played a JCA20H. I had both, but one right after each other. I'd love to A/B them and play with them side by side and try to justify your claim, but from what I remember, the BH5 isn't worth its price tag for me. The Jet City do everything the BH5 does at all volumes and with more versatility and convenience. Hence,

I'd rather have the JCA20H that can do preamp 10 master .5 if needed, but can also do preamp 5, master 7 and sound terrific.



I've cranked the BH5. Good, simple overdrive, but too loud to casually play for an hour a day. I've cranked the JCA20H. Awesome overdrive with preamp gain control and you have the option to lower the volume and still have some gain.
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#17
The JCA20H can be a beautifully awesome amp. I wish I had a need for one, I'd get it for the piddly $250 it costs.

You get to learn to play an amp! You set your amp/gain for your rythm tone. When you need cleans you roll the volume back a touch on your guitar. While not the most practical, it is a lot of fun to learn to do (rolling volume with your pinky/downpicking a rythm into full blown overdrive).
#18
Quote by kennymax89
kinda a jade Puget kinda tone is what im looking for good high gain and i live in western washington.

Jade Puget has a wide range of tones. Is there a particular AFI album you are going for? He used a Dual Recto, AC30 and Marshall `59 SLP on Sing The Sorrow and onwards and afaik before that he used a JCM900
#19
New topic: HH Tele is better than SSS Strat.

They both have strings so we can compare them.
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#20
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New topic: HH Tele is better than SSS Strat.

They both have strings so we can compare them.


New topic: Bad analogies are bad.

They do both have strings so we can compare them.

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#22
Quote by jnukes2
The Jet City do everything the BH5 does at all volumes and with more versatility and convenience..

That is plain false. The two amps sound nothing alike, and I didn't like my BH5, either.
#23
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How about a Blackstar Ht-60? it's $899 iirc


The guy is looking at low budget amps and you suggest a $900 head? reread buddy
#24
Quote by Kev_369
New topic: Bad analogies are bad.

They do both have strings so we can compare them.

Except you can't - the wiring and pickup configurations are different.

That you can't see that difference is a great demonstration of why this dumbass argument is continuing.

The amps aren't the same. You can't compare them. Quit trying.
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#25
Oh, you can compare them, in the same way that you can compare a potato to a sausage. There's not much of a point to it.
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#26
I meant in the sense that one is innately superior to the other.

It's a matter of taste or purpose so any comparison becomes an exercise in futility.
#28
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The guy is looking at low budget amps and you suggest a $900 head? reread buddy

It's a combo, buddy ;]

Woops, just read the $350 budget, ahahah.
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#29
I use a Lil Giant with NOS sylvania tubes, and BH112 cab. When I am playing with my band, I rarely pump the volume past 5. I also use a tubepre, and that can really pump the dBs if I need to.
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