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#1
Idk why I haven't seen this in the pit yet, and why the only good article I can find of it is from a British news site.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373856/15-year-old-girl-Meagan-Allen-kills-Leander-High-School-bathroom.html?ITO=1490

Anyways, this girl goes into the bathroom and kills herself with a gun after she warned people she would do it. Sadder thing is, a very good friend of mine had just walked out of that bathroom right before she shot herself. My friend had been trying to get the girl who shot herself to go to church with her for some time, and a few days ago when I picked her up for band practice she was pretty distraught, and it's just heart breaking that this ever had to happen.

I didn't want to make this thread the day of, because seeing my friend so torn up by it in turn tore me up.

So, when someone says they are going to commit suicide, take it seriously, even if you think they are joking. I just feel like people needed to know, and these school shooting are starting to get more and more common, and nobody seems to know why, or are afriad to give a straight forward answer.

To make this thread something else other than a pity party, discuss how this could have been avoided, and if your of the religious type, pray for the people affected by this.
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.

This. Especially this. And I remember this exact thing happened at my high school like 20 years ago.
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.


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#5
Sorry about that. Yeah, I've known a few people who have done it. Such a waste, a few years or months later, everything may have been great in their lives. I think it would have been lees likely if she couldn't have gotten hold of a gun, it's harder to hang yourself or OD etc. I see you're in Texas though!
#6
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.

That really isn't necessary man. Some teenage girl just shot herself.


This is very sad. I wouldn't be surprised if some people encouraged her.
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#7
A close friend of mine killed himself, supposedly, a couple of months ago without any prior warning or talking to anybody. But he also had a TBI, that was improperly handled by the Army, after getting a concussion from jumping onto an airfield out of a plane.

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#9
And I'm not the religious type but I would like to offer my condolences to the family and friends.
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.

Wow, way to be a complete and utter twat for no reason. My condolences to the family and friends of this girl.
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#12
Damn, my condolences. But I just have to ask: Is it really that easy to get your hands on a gun in America?

I understand how this stuff happens. Sometimes people just need to listen.
#14
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Damn, my condolences. But I just have to ask: Is it really that easy to get your hands on a gun in America?

I understand how this stuff happens. Sometimes people just need to listen.

A lot of the time it's a parent who went through the necessary stuff to get one but wasn't responsible enough to keep it in a safe place. It is quite easy to get them in some states though, it's not a country wide thing.
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Damn, my condolences. But I just have to ask: Is it really that easy to get your hands on a gun in America?

I understand how this stuff happens. Sometimes people just need to listen.

No, but it is in Texas.
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#16
please, don't turn this into another retarded gun discussion.
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EDIT:^ It is incredibly easy to get a gun in America. Especially Texas.


Yeah, it actually is pretty easy, everyone and their grandma have a gun in Texas, but, we rarely have any shootings other than the gang, drug, or crime related shooting in the big cities.

But it's very hard for a minor to get a gun, they usually steal it from their parents who are irresponsible with them.
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EDIT:^ It is incredibly easy to get a gun in America. Especially Texas.


most certainly. even the Mexicans get their guns from Texas and Arizona and the other border states, because it is too hard to get them in Mexico.

OT, that is really quite terrible, though at least she only killed herself and not other people as well. my condolences to her family and your friend and your whole school.
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Damn, my condolences. But I just have to ask: Is it really that easy to get your hands on a gun in America?

I understand how this stuff happens. Sometimes people just need to listen.


yes it is that easy depending where you live. i am from detroit and i would prob. take me less then 10 mins to go buy a gun off the street.

as for the girl its sad i have lost alot of close friends to suicide depression is a bitch and that person usually feels there is no point in talking to anyone because they will not understand and be able to help anyways
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#20
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So, when someone says they are going to commit suicide, take it seriously, even if you think they are joking. I just feel like people needed to know, and these school shooting are starting to get more and more common, and nobody seems to know why, or are afriad to give a straight forward answer.


But no one takes teenagers seriously. Not trying to be insensitive, but they don't. Especially a seemingly happy and popular 15 year old girl, who had no previous signs of such behavior, and hadn't been bullied. Maybe we should, but you can't go up in arms every time someone doesn't have a date for prom and says "FML, I'm going to kill myself" because 90% of the time, they don't even think about what they just said.
And even if they did, and were being serious, then again, 90% of that 90% of young teenagers don't fully understand and grasp the full extent of the action. It's sad, but true.
If I heard a 45 year old man, drinking heavily and saying he's going to shoot himself...I would worry, and probably call for help, or at least someone to keep an eye on him. With kids, we just brush it off as naivety and throwing terms around to be melodramatic.
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But it's very hard for a minor to get a gun, they usually steal it from their parents who are irresponsible with them.

This is true. Parental irresponsibility is a huge problem in America, IMO.

FFS, San Francisco banned happy meals because kids were getting fat. That's the parent's fault. Not McDonald's. Likewise, whoever this girl got a gun from was probably completely irresponsible in keeping it safe.
#22
I don't know why people are bringing guns up (and I can see it's littered in the daily mail comments section). The gun wasn't the problem so don't blame it on that. This has been a pretty horrid news day
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I don't know why people are bringing guns up (and I can see it's littered in the daily mail comments section). The gun wasn't the problem so don't blame it on that. This has been a pretty horrid news day


that is a good point, i'm sure if she was set on taking her life, she would have done it whether she had a gun or not, though it's possible she would have been unsuccessful if she had tried some other way.
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But no one takes teenagers seriously. Not trying to be insensitive, but they don't. Especially a seemingly happy and popular 15 year old girl, who had no previous signs of such behavior, and hadn't been bullied. Maybe we should, but you can't go up in arms every time someone doesn't have a date for prom and says "FML, I'm going to kill myself" because 90% of the time, they don't even think about what they just said.
And even if they did, and were being serious, then again, 90% of that 90% of young teenagers don't fully understand and grasp the full extent of the action. It's sad, but true.
If I heard a 45 year old man, drinking heavily and saying he's going to shoot himself...I would worry, and probably call for help, or at least someone to keep an eye on him. With kids, we just brush it off as naivety and throwing terms around to be melodramatic.


Yes, I agree, but you can start at least trying to get it through peoples head that using those terms is no joke. If someone says a stupid comment like that, just remind them that suicide is no joke, and they are being immature by using suicide in a joking manner.
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that is a good point, i'm sure if she was set on taking her life, she would have done it whether she had a gun or not, though it's possible she would have been unsuccessful if she had tried some other way.

Exactly. If she couldn't get a gun she'd find pills or razors or something. I'm am not a fan of guns at all, I hate them actually, but people use so many scapegoats. This was just an unfortunate time where a parent was irresponsible most likely because their kid didn't seem depressed or suicidal and it happened to be available when she was set on doing it.

I don't think anyone is truly to blame. It's just a unfortunate situation.
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#26
Am I the only one who thinks this isn't worth getting sad over? She's dead, nothing's affecting her anymore, why let this bother you?

PS: What's the point in praying for someone who's "going to hell" anyway?
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Am I the only one who thinks this isn't worth getting sad over? She's dead, nothing's affecting her anymore, why let this bother you?

PS: What's the point in praying for someone who's "going to hell" anyway?


Really?
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.

I dislike religion as much as anybody, but this was in very poor taste. This is the internet and all, but suicide is a sensitive issue and the TS was a friend of the girl.
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#29
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Yes, I agree, but you can start at least trying to get it through peoples head that using those terms is no joke. If someone says a stupid comment like that, just remind them that suicide is no joke, and they are being immature by using suicide in a joking manner.


I try to. I actually hate it so much though, that I automatically ignore such comments off people, and my irrational thought process makes me not care if they do kill themselves. It really does hit home when it happens to someone close though. If someone's depressed, try to work out what's wrong before they start talking about irreversible solutions.


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Am I the only one who thinks this isn't worth getting sad over? She's dead, nothing's affecting her anymore, why let this bother you?

PS: What's the point in praying for someone who's "going to hell" anyway?


Dude..really? Stop being such a....

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Oh...
nevermind.
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#30
If this turns into a gun-control debate I'm going to kill myself.
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So, when someone says they are going to commit suicide, take it seriously, even if you think they are joking.


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If this turns into a gun-control debate I'm going to kill myself.



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#32
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.

I laughed at this more than I should
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#33
That's really sad. I absolutely agree that people should not assume that people are joking when they talk about suicide, suicidal ideation always precedes an attempt and a great many people experiencing it may make flippant remarks or jokes that go a bit too far concerning it.

As for how this could have been prevented, I always find that High Schools do not have enough peer support groups, such help can be really really good but most teachers are not skilled enough to set one up.
Another great thing is helplines, I'm involved in a few different ones and they really do make a difference, but generally schools can't afford specialised ones like universities have. They should definitely have advertisements for some of them in the school, don't assume the kids know themselves.
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#34
OK OK OK, I rarely do this but I apologize to TS. You were a friend of the dead girl and I was insensitive. What I should have said is that I don't think offering church to someone who doesn't believe in it would be helpful.
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If this turns into a gun-control debate I'm going to kill myself.

this

why is every thread on UG so depressing lately, anyway?

Why cant i get a job
some girl killed herself
childhood experiences you missed out on
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etc

jesus, go buy a balloon or something, be happy people.
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I dislike religion as much as anybody, but this was in very poor taste. This is the internet and all, but suicide is a sensitive issue and the TS was a friend of the girl.


Erm, not to be rude, but I wasn't a friend of the girl, a good friend of mine that's in our youth band was trying to get this girl to come to church with her, and she had just walked out of the bathroom before she shot herself, and she's beating herself up thinking she should of said something and this might of never happened, because she felt like she was supposed to say something.

Just to make it clear, I'm a guitarist in my youth group, I'm 20 years old, and my friend is a 14 year old girl in our youth group band that I pick up on my way to church, and she was the one that experienced this. I've practically watched her grow up and she's like a sister to me, and to see her just completely break down in front of everyone is really heart breaking to me.

That's why I'm so affected by this. When you see someone you care about hurting, and you know there is nothing you can do to make it better, it just breaks your heart.
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Wow, way to be a complete and utter twat for no reason. My condolences to the family and friends of this girl.


Another one bites the dust.

No really. I have a hard time feeling for people I don't know on a personal level.
Like Japan. The most I can say is "aww that really sucks". But seeing as how there's suffering elsewhere and nobody really acknowledges, can't really pretend to be all aww ohh noooo like are you fake ****** out there.
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#40
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If someone kept bugging me to go to church I'd want to off myself too.


Have a little respect dude! Do you know anyone that's committed suicide? I don't think you have or else you wouldn't have made a comment like that.

EDIT: For everyone that's turning this into a gun debate, you're missing the bigger picture. It's not a question of responsibility with firearms, it's an issue of some poor girl not having anyone taking the time to listen to her and consequently not taking her warnings seriously, leading her to feel even more unwanted and resulting in her doing something as difficult and desperate as she did.
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