#1
hello

hello

Set up:
Epiphone LP Standard Plus Top w/ stock pickups
Digitech rp355
Peavey Tube Vypyr 60w

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Genre: Hard Rock, Blues, Metal
Budget:650$ (750$, but my preferance would be around 650$)
City: Louisville KY USA
Future Interest: Roland GR-55 Synthesizer, A good amp, a nice set of pickups that will play Hard Rock/Metal/Blues, Better Guitar
Favorite Musicians/Bands: Carlos Santana, The Eagles, Randy Rhoades, Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Eric Clapton, Ray Charles, Def Leppard, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Black Label Society, Anthrax, The Grateful Dead...etc. the list goes on


Hey guys, whats up....i recently upgraded my sh*ty little Line 6 Spider 4 15w to a awesome Peavey Tube Vypyr 60w so know im looking for a bit of an upgrade to my guitar as well

I've been told to check out PRS SE's, Ibanez and Agile Guitars because they are generally cheaper and are of good quality.

These are the guitars i've thought about buying:
PRS SE Santana (it goes about 100$ over budget but i played one and it was good)
Ibanez S570DXQM, i've been told that its almost perfect for any type of playing style
Agile Ghost Pro Semi-Custom from RondoMusic.com (i know nothing of these guitars, but they seem pretty good)

what are some good guitars the play the music i enjoy playing?

Tell me if those guitars would work and if you can please recommend some other guitars that would fit me, and if i need to add some stuff to them (like new pickups) tell those as well

THANKS guys
#2
Ibanez are better at speed and fast playing (Have a flatter neck). PRS's are very nice and have a better blues feel (C-shaped neck). I would recommend the Telecaster because they have a nice feel for every genre of music. If your going to look at a Tele, make sure you get a maple neck (yellowish-or orangish).
#5
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH350NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584495

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-Guitar-Research-C1-Custom-Electric-Guitar?sku=584530

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-Guitar-Research-C1-Artist-III-Electric-Guitar?sku=H25345

Truthfully, I'm a huge proponent of Ibanez, and I'd say if you're looking for a trem ready guitar, go with the one you're looking at, but be prepared to swap the pickups. Ibanez's stock pups on their mid/low guitars are notoriously not awesome.
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#6
The Ibanez would be great, minus the pickups. Some solid Dimarzios or Duncans or (insert personal preference) would make it fantastic, but pickups included would be a bit over-budget going new.

There's a gray burst S570DXQM on Ebay for $535 if you want to take a shot with used; you'd probably be able to get pickups as well for a reasonable price, and possibly a case.

Schecters are amazing too, to go with the trend.
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#7
I recommend getting a Carvin custom. http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/index.php?model=bolt

They are 750 bone stock, but I would definitely want to save up a little more for a couple upgrades. (stainless steel frets are awesome).

That is probably your best bet at getting a pro level guitar for an affordable price. I built one from a kit ( http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/index.php?model=gk1 ) and it is my favorite guitar. The kit cost me 650 after all my custom options, and took about 5 hours of assembly time.

Here's a pic. (sorry I don't have a better one, I had to screencap from a video.)



tl;dr: Carvin FTW!
#8
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Ibanez are better at speed and fast playing (Have a flatter neck).

The neck profile has very little to do with speed.

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#9
Neck profile is definitely personal preference. I like fatter necks... they're just more comfortable to me. A good player could shred on a block of wood.
#10
^ Same. I love fatter necks because they're more comfortable with my hand size.
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#11
Quote by bubb_tubbs
The neck profile has very little to do with speed.


I'd put a bit of a caveat in there. While there are no neck profiles that are inherently "better" for fast playing, everybody has neck profile preferences, and most people will find fast playing easier when playing on a neck that that fits their personal preferences.

I'd also mention that their is no correlation between hand size and what your preferences regarding neck specifications will be.

Certainly for me, I find a wider, flatter neck with a C or D shape and a 25.5" more comfortable. I know a player whose hands are very similar in size and shape to mine, but he prefer narrower neck and a 24.75" scale.
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#12
k, ya i've heard that the ibanez pickups are horrible...so if i did buy it, i would definatly switch them out...

I've heard schecters are good and i was actually looking into the Schecter Damien Elite FR because it seemed like a really good deal

that ESP looks friggen sweet and from how it sounds its very likely i'll add it to the list i have (basically those guitars previously mentioned)

I tried a PRS at a guitar center and it was really good, but unfortuantly that guitar center closed about 2 months ago so now i cant go out and try the guitars i want, but i can get recommendations and tips...so thanks guys...

actually i have been recommended a Fender Strat & Telecaster and i actually like both of those types of guitar...what type of Strats and Teles would you recommend, because theres like 5 types of each (American, Roadworn etc.etc.)
#13
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I'd put a bit of a caveat in there. While there are no neck profiles that are inherently "better" for fast playing, everybody has neck profile preferences, and most people will find fast playing easier when playing on a neck that that fits their personal preferences.

I'd also mention that their is no correlation between hand size and what your preferences regarding neck specifications will be.

Certainly for me, I find a wider, flatter neck with a C or D shape and a 25.5" more comfortable. I know a player whose hands are very similar in size and shape to mine, but he prefer narrower neck and a 24.75" scale.

This was what I was getting at.

The comment about my hand size was just personal experience, not intended as a guideline for others to select by.
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I recommend getting a Carvin custom. http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/index.php?model=bolt

They are 750 bone stock, but I would definitely want to save up a little more for a couple upgrades. (stainless steel frets are awesome).

That is probably your best bet at getting a pro level guitar for an affordable price. I built one from a kit ( http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/index.php?model=gk1 ) and it is my favorite guitar. The kit cost me 650 after all my custom options, and took about 5 hours of assembly time.

Here's a pic. (sorry I don't have a better one, I had to screencap from a video.)



tl;dr: Carvin FTW!

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#15
^lol

ill look into carvin guitars...

random question, would these be decent? (i know they're all ESP, but they look pretty good)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Viper300FM-Electric-Guitar?sku=584499
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-H351NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584491
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584487
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH350NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584495

im kinda diggin the EX-360 and Viper, but i have no clue how they would play, or if they would even remotely do the genres i prefer...i know EMG's are the most versatile pickups out there
#16
i liked a blacktop telecaster that I played at my guitar store maybe try one out?
#17
Quote by B.C. RICH5000
actually i have been recommended a Fender Strat & Telecaster and i actually like both of those types of guitar...what type of Strats and Teles would you recommend, because theres like 5 types of each (American, Roadworn etc.etc.)


When it comes to Stratocasters and Telecasters, seeing as dealers are absolutely everywhere, I really recommend that you play as many of them as you can, and take not of the different neck profiles they have. See if you prefer a maple or rosewood fretboard. Most of the Fender product line have alder bodies.

American Standards (which are probably out of your budget) have a 1.685" (42.8mm) nut width, while Standards are 1.650" (42mm) at the nut. American Deluxes and Specials and Highway Ones are 1.687" (43mm). Most have a 9.5" fretboard radius, some specific models have a 7.25" radius. Those differences might not sound like much, but they make for a big difference in feel. I think you should find what you like, then buy the cheapest model with that profile. The more expensive models usually have upgraded pickups, but I'd recommend you buy the cheaper model and decide what pickups you'd like yourself.

All that really makes a good Stratocaster or Telecaster is a a neck profile you like, a body that resonates well and a nice tight neck joint. After that, everything can be changed.
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#18
Quote by bubb_tubbs
This was what I was getting at.

The comment about my hand size was just personal experience, not intended as a guideline for others to select by.


Oh I know it's what you were getting at, I'm just not sure it was clear.
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#19
For the styles you're playing, I would not recommend EMG's. They are pretty decent for metal, but for rock, blues and cleans they are not ideal. Maybe go for a guitar with a JB/59 combo, super versatile, does pretty much anything atleast decently, most stuff pretty well.
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#21
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LOL, where i live, the closest dealer is like 6 hours away...dude i live in kentucky....which is equavilent to jack-sh*t nowhere lol....
#22
Quote by B.C. RICH5000
^lol

ill look into carvin guitars...

random question, would these be decent? (i know they're all ESP, but they look pretty good)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Viper300FM-Electric-Guitar?sku=584499
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-H351NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584491
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584487
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH350NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584495

im kinda diggin the EX-360 and Viper, but i have no clue how they would play, or if they would even remotely do the genres i prefer...i know EMG's are the most versatile pickups out there


I'd recommend this. It's less of a metal look but I think it looks pretty classy. From personal experience, it would be more versatile than most guitars equipped with EMG's.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC401VF-Electric-Guitar?sku=580200#used
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#23
ok, one of my friends has a Standard Telecaster and that thing rocks. Would it be worth the extra money to buy the upgraded versions? or just to stick with the cheaper variants...

i was thinking about buying the Strat Deluxe Players edition, its like 600$ and from the specs and stuff, it seems good....noiseless pickups on it too....

but i'll definately look into the random Teles and tele pickups i cant find...
#24
^^i would rather NOT have a guitar that has a Les Paul look to it, i dont know if im the only person thats like this...but if im gonna buy a new guitar, i'd rather buy one that has a different look...like a Strat look, or an Xplorer look......etc....is that a bad thing? probably lol
#25
by the way...when i said "Emgs are the most versatile pickups out there"

that was pure sarcasm lol
#26
Quote by B.C. RICH5000
ok, one of my friends has a Standard Telecaster and that thing rocks. Would it be worth the extra money to buy the upgraded versions? or just to stick with the cheaper variants...

i was thinking about buying the Strat Deluxe Players edition, its like 600$ and from the specs and stuff, it seems good....noiseless pickups on it too....

but i'll definately look into the random Teles and tele pickups i cant find...


If you like Strats and Teles, I'd recommend going for something with a humbucker in the bridge for some of the heavier bands you play.

And liking different guitar shapes isn't a bad thing, it just slightly limits your selection. Although I would hardly call a Strat shape uncommon.

P.S. Watch out for double/triple posts, they can get you in a bit of trouble
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#27
Quote by B.C. RICH5000
wait...scratch the EX-360, i found the "upgrade".....the FX-360 lol



The best ESP/LTD guitar I have ever played was a FX-360 my buddy loved it too he was so pissed because he had just bought the EX-401(still an amazing guitar in it's own right though)
I love my American Special Telecaster though and if classic rock/blues is your kinda thing there are few guitars that do it better
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#28
^^alright thanks for the tip, im not fully sure what is considered a "triple or double post"...but i'll make sure i slim down on them lol


nevermind, i know what it is now lol

and ya, when it comes to classic rock and blues....Fender is pretty hard to beat
Last edited by B.C. RICH5000 at Apr 10, 2011,
#29
Wow, ok (and it's Prophet of Page, not Rage, but that's not important). Well, if you're interested in buying a Fender I still recommend you make an educated guess on the neck profile before buying one.

Your Epiphone is probably 1.68" (42.7mm) at the nut (check that, don't just take my word for it), so you'd probably notice a Standard (MIM) Strat or Tele would feel a little narrow, while an American Special or Deluxe (the latter being way out of budget) might feel a little wide.
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#30
sorry bout the name switch up lol, my bad

would this Tele fit well?
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Highway-One-Series-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=512871

or would it be better to just buy the Standard Strat HSS (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Standard-Stratocaster-HSS-Electric-Guitar?sku=501160) and just put some new pickups in it? im perfectly fine with switchin out stuff and customizing guitars and what not...but i dont know if it would be worth it

example....Strat with Gibson Classic 57 in the bridge humbucker, Seymour duncan SHR-1 Stacked Single Coil Pickup in the neck and a DiMarzio DP415 Area 58 pickup in the middle

i know that is probably a HORRIBLE lineup of pickups to put in a strat...but its just an example


if that not a good idea then i would probably jsut settle with this: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Highway-One-Series-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=512871

it seems like a good price...towards the end spectrum of my budget...but i'd manage
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#31
Quote by B.C. RICH5000
^lol

ill look into carvin guitars...

random question, would these be decent? (i know they're all ESP, but they look pretty good)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Viper300FM-Electric-Guitar?sku=584499
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-H351NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584491
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX360-Electric-Guitar?sku=584487
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH350NT-Electric-Guitar?sku=584495

im kinda diggin the EX-360 and Viper, but i have no clue how they would play, or if they would even remotely do the genres i prefer...i know EMG's are the most versatile pickups out there



Those are my personal favorite guitars, esp/ltds. Don't let the idea of "emgs are only for the metalz" mentality fool you, they are some very nice pickups, especially in a stock guitar.

I have 3 of them all with EMGs and the closest thing to metal I play is Rage against the machine. I'm more of a rock/blues player. It's personal preference more than anything.

LTDs and ESPs are also some pretty damn good quality guitars for the money. I can honestly not justify paying $1200+ dollars for a gibson or American fender. Especially now a days when their craftsmanship is just as questionable as anybody else.

Find yourself a music store and just go try out a bunch of different guitars and find what YOU like.
#34
A few years ago, I got the chance to play an Ibanez S470DXQM. Played amazing.
I put $200 down on it right then and there. Shortly after, thanks to my now ex-GF, my finances went to shit and I lost it. Bitch.
About 6 months ago I bought this :

$650 with case, S570DXQM.
Its now my #1 guitar. Replaced my Epi Lp as my #1 (Which is now tuned to open E for slide)
The stock pickups were a bit weak for my tastes so I put some Evolution pickups in it.
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I mainly do classic rock and blues and it does those very well for me.
Play it through a Vox AC30.

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#36
i would go with a tele, do a single spaced bucker in the bridge (they sound really cool on the tele, provided you go with the right one), strat pickup in the middle (like the nashville teles) and a P90 in the neck.

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#37
ya, Agile guitars are pretty sweet...i was currently looking at a Agile Ghost Pro Semi-Custom and just from the specs, that thing was great and for a good price